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    Quote Originally Posted by 120mm View Post
    Do you mind if I cut'n'paste this response every time I respond to a "good enough" thread?

    I have nothing against light use dirt clod shooting hobby guns. Not a single thing.

    But when substandard manufacturers sell them for $1000, and then people come on here and tell me that $50 difference between their Stag, RRA, Bushmaster, whatever is necessary for people "who can't afford top tier guns, it kind of makes my blood boil.

    If you want to shoot a cheap gun, buy a PSA kit for $550 and shoot it. Heck, from the PSA parts I am currently experimenting with, it will probably be a good gun. Don't piss on my head and tell me its raining with lower quality guns at high quality gun prices.

    BTW, I am seriously considering buying one of those PSA kits, wringing it out to see exactly how good/bad it really is, and then keeping it as a loaner/beater gun. With the current specials, provided you purchase the stripped lower and kit separately, you're talking $550 for a complete carbine, ready to shoot. And they "appear" to adhere to the important bits of the TDP.
    by all means

    those PSA's seem good.. i mean probably not great, but they are 1 in 7 twist, and they say they stake their carrier...

    I think a lot of it's impulse buys... combined with the counter guy saying it's "mil-spec" and "made by the same people that make colt parts"

    ah well, you can lead a horse to water...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyugo View Post
    by all means

    those PSA's seem good.. i mean probably not great, but they are 1 in 7 twist, and they say they stake their carrier...

    I think a lot of it's impulse buys... combined with the counter guy saying it's "mil-spec" and "made by the same people that make colt parts"

    ah well, you can lead a horse to water...
    I bought one of their premium carriers and it was well-staked. The lower kit my partner got looked great as well.

    I'd think they're probably a good gun for the price.

    $84 for the lower kit, including buffer tube and buttstock
    $49 for the stripped lower
    $399 for a complete 4150 14.5 in. pinned upper kit
    $50 for a Magpul BUIS

    $15 shipping for the upper and $7 shipping for the stripped lower (shipped separately, of course, to avoid the 11% tax.)

    That's $597 for a shooter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy View Post
    Do you think that they should continue to manufacture sub-par components and AR's for those who don't really need the best stuff? Would you rather them all start producing product to the same specs as Colt and the other top tier bunch? Or do you think its to late, and that they should just disappear from the AR world and leave it to the already existing good manufacturers? Or something different?
    Doesn't matter what we think, they will do what they do. I will simply continue to be thankful for those manufacturers who haven't changed over to mass producing crap.

    Century Arms will always be in business and offering crap, while companies like Steyr have to cease production of domestic AUG A3s due to limited demand.

    Those "in the know" will buy the better guns for their needs. And if the guys you described suddenly began buying to good stuff in volume that company might start cutting corners to keep up with demand. Just look what happened to Kimber when they got popular.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle View Post
    Bear in mind that some LE agencies and PMCs have sub-par weapons forced upon them from their frugal ignorant superiors. My agency bought Bushmasters for patrol operations and few of my friends who have contracted in the sandbox had to carry Bushmasters.

    As others have stated the price difference is not that great and sub-par products are peddled as GTG. It offends me more than anything.
    This. There is a local agency that officially adopted the Oly Plinker. It is the only "approved" rifle for their officers.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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