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Thread: PSA Hammer Forged Uppers Made by FN for $400!

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    It has been almost common knowledge on this site that Noveske & Centurion got their HF barrels from FN and rumored that BCM did as well. Why is it that when a relative newcomer to the parts & uppers market, they are called a liar by some? PSA has a good reputation as a retailer and as an M4C authorized dealer, has been vetted by staff. Justifying disparaging remarks based solely on pricepoint is bullshit. The above mentioned companies have never confirmed the source of their HF barrels, but they have not denied it either and we give them the benefit of the doubt because they are considered a "known good". Why not give PSA the same consideration? PSA does not have the same rep as Noveske & BCM yet, so it makes good business sense to disclose the source of your barrel maker. If they didn't, people would pile on because they were selling uppers with "unknown" parts. Seems like a lose / lose for them around here. Maybe we need to dial back the skepticism around here a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merle View Post
    I can put together an upper like that using a Daniel Defense chf m4 barrel and an Aero Precision stripped upper for around $415 without bcg and charging handle with paying tax and shipping so I don't think that a company would have a problem putting a quality upper together and selling it for $400. They probably won't make a huge profit on one alone but if They sell 100 They probably do alright.
    Or they couldve gambled on a large enough volume to merit a lower wholesale purchase, thus, increasing their profit margin despite their lower retail price.
    Business analysis aside, Im intrested to see how this pans out. Could be another quality player.
    Last edited by Col_Crocs; 07-14-11 at 08:58.

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    The part that puzzles me is why you would take a great FN CHF blank and turn it into a Carbine gassed M4 profile 16" barrel. Both of these seem to me to be the worst choices.

    The fact that they could be selling a mid length 16" with a more functional profile, like that of a Noveske, or a LW profile is annoying. Would it really cost any more to machine a better profile and drill it for mid length gas?

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    After reading their description again,it states quantities are limited at this INTRODUCTRY price. So assuming they go up on their price another $50-100, $399 would be a good deal a FN CHF upper. If they are lying, that would be suicide for their company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    It has been almost common knowledge on this site that Noveske & Centurion got their HF barrels from FN and rumored that BCM did as well. Why is it that when a relative newcomer to the parts & uppers market, they are called a liar by some? PSA has a good reputation as a retailer and as an M4C authorized dealer, has been vetted by staff. Justifying disparaging remarks based solely on pricepoint is bullshit. The above mentioned companies have never confirmed the source of their HF barrels, but they have not denied it either and we give them the benefit of the doubt because they are considered a "known good". Why not give PSA the same consideration? PSA does not have the same rep as Noveske & BCM yet, so it makes good business sense to disclose the source of your barrel maker. If they didn't, people would pile on because they were selling uppers with "unknown" parts. Seems like a lose / lose for them around here. Maybe we need to dial back the skepticism around here a bit.
    You said it better than I could. I get tired of everyone bad mouthing anything that isn't LMT, Noveske, Daniel Defense, BCM, or Colt all without ever putting there eyes or hands on the product they are bad mouthing. With the exception of Colt and maybe LMT, all of those companies probably started out the same way as PSA by putting together parts that someone else made for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    The part that puzzles me is why you would take a great FN CHF blank and turn it into a Carbine gassed M4 profile 16" barrel. Both of these seem to me to be the worst choices.

    The fact that they could be selling a mid length 16" with a more functional profile, like that of a Noveske, or a LW profile is annoying. Would it really cost any more to machine a better profile and drill it for mid length gas?
    The M4 profile is a horrible idea. The fact is that most gun manufacturers (or dealers that have things made for them), just have no idea.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    The M4 profile is a horrible idea. The fact is that most gun manufacturers (or dealers that have things made for them), just have no idea.

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    I bet it has to do with using the most plentiful, supportive parts available, combined with ignorance or risk averse decision making.

    PSA is being very, very conservative about what they offer, imo, and appears to be very unwilling to do anything that is perceived as nonstandard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    It has been almost common knowledge on this site that Noveske & Centurion got their HF barrels from FN and rumored that BCM did as well.
    I've never seen such a comment posted anywhere on the internet, in print, or in person that backs this up. They also don't claim this on their website.

    Why not give PSA the same consideration?
    Because wording that is posted on their website is directly in conflict with the facts. Even if the barrels were made by FN, the statements on their website are still false.
    Last edited by scottryan; 07-14-11 at 10:27.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 120mm View Post
    I bet it has to do with using the most plentiful, supportive parts available, combined with ignorance or risk averse decision making.

    PSA is being very, very conservative about what they offer, imo, and appears to be very unwilling to do anything that is perceived as nonstandard.
    While FN does in fact make replacement M4 barrels for the Military (have held them), it isn't what the market wants anymore.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    It has been almost common knowledge on this site that Noveske & Centurion got their HF barrels from FN and rumored that BCM did as well. Why is it that when a relative newcomer to the parts & uppers market, they are called a liar by some? PSA has a good reputation as a retailer and as an M4C authorized dealer, has been vetted by staff. Justifying disparaging remarks based solely on pricepoint is bullshit. The above mentioned companies have never confirmed the source of their HF barrels, but they have not denied it either and we give them the benefit of the doubt because they are considered a "known good". Why not give PSA the same consideration? PSA does not have the same rep as Noveske & BCM yet, so it makes good business sense to disclose the source of your barrel maker. If they didn't, people would pile on because they were selling uppers with "unknown" parts. Seems like a lose / lose for them around here. Maybe we need to dial back the skepticism around here a bit.
    Doesn't pacnor make noveske stuff, or is that just the stainless stuff?

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