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    Quote Originally Posted by wetidlerjr View Post
    It is obvious you are not for gun rights and it is equally obvious what is ridiculous (and it isn't the permit system in Indiana). I do agree, however, that you need guidelines but it is on what the 2nd Amendment really says. I personally feel that you should move to NY or CA so you can feel safer, far away from those of us with Indiana carry permits.
    I don't even know what to say to this? What a useless/embarrassing post maybe?

    I'm not saying to make any harder to obtain a license, I'm saying give instruction to those who intend to do so (whether it be a class or atleast a book of rules), bc if it saves one persons life, stops one future incident, saves someone from making a costly mistake, it would be worth it. That sounds pretty far out of line to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdoom15 View Post
    Yada, yada, yada...
    Too late to back track now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/15002418/detail.html: "Police: Victim Fired AK-47 At Home Invader
    3 Men Sought After Storming House, Police Say."
    The video for this is floating around. I'll edit this post if I can find it.

    ETA - maybe not, this video is from Tuscon - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=17e_1234261495

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    My only question is if you use an SBR to defend your home and the police confiscate it in wake of a home defense shooting, as they usually do, how do you handle the matter with the ATF since it represents a transfer of ownership-if even a temporary one?

    And will this have an effect on your ownership and future ownership with the ATF?
    This is why I added the local PD to my trust!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonconsiglio View Post
    This is why I added the local PD to my trust!
    Wow. I don't even come close to understanding the legal gymnastics of that one.

    It certainly takes care of the transfer issue, but I would fear it might create others.

    As I said, that is way beyond my legal understanding or abilities. I imagine it is some type of contingency sucessor whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wetidlerjr View Post
    Too late to back track now.
    Again, another high quality post...and if you think I would back track bc some cool guy on the internet disagreed with me, you are yet again mistaken.

    Learn to read and fully comprehend something before wasting bandwidth. It's CLEAR what I said from the very first post. This is obviously not going anywhere, so that's the last thing I'm going to say about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    Wow. I don't even come close to understanding the legal gymnastics of that one.

    It certainly takes care of the transfer issue, but I would fear it might create others.

    As I said, that is way beyond my legal understanding or abilities. I imagine it is some type of contingency sucessor whatever.
    I'm sorry man, I was just kidding around. I started to type that I was joking, then left it out!

    I'll look into it today or Tuesday when I get back from some hog/coyote hunting. If I can find a solid answer, I'll post back on it. I don't think it'll be an issue though as it's an investigation and there should be by-laws for that...

    I'm going to edit my other post
    Proven combat techniques may not be flashy and may require a bit more physical effort on the part of the shooter. Further, they may not win competition matches, but they will help ensure your survival in a shooting or gunfight on the street. ~ Paul Howe

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriumphRat675 View Post
    Guys: the Castle Doctrine (at least the Texas version, and I doubt that any other state's is vastly different) does not give you blanket immunity from criminal prosecution or investigation. All that it does is allow you a presumption that your use of deadly force was reasonable if you used deadly force against someone who unlawfully breaks into or attempts to break into your house using force and you did not provoke that person. (There are other provisions in this statute, and you need to read and understand the statute that controls in your jurisdiction).

    This presumption can be overcome in a court of law. If you get involved in a bad shoot, you can and will be investigated and prosecuted.

    If your case goes to a jury and that jury is made up of common, non-gun savvy citizens, you need to be aware that in cases involving the use of deadly force in marginal situations - where the facts are less than clear in your favor - your choice of a weapon can color the jury's view of you as a good guy or a bad guy. IIRC, David Hardy cited a study on his Arms and the Law blog where prospective jurors were less likely to find self defense when the shooter used an EBR instead of, say, a duck gun. In my state of Texas, I not infrequently run into people who are not aware that AR-15's are even legal, and have no idea why anybody would want to own one. That person may be on your jury someday. OP's fear is not out of line, and is something to take into consideration - not the be-all end-all, but something to think about - when making your choice of self-defense weapon.
    No one really is saying anything different. This is why we specifically said "good shoot" which is all we are concerned with. Castle Doctrines do NOT specify what kind of weapon you can or can't use.

    If you did something illegal, then you get what you get.

    I have made personal friends with my county prosecutor. He is Pro Gun and Pro Defense. So if I use an M249 to kill the "bad man" I will be good.

    It is never a bad idea to get to know the locals (Police/SO/Prosecutor) so you have a better idea of what you are dealing with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    My only question is if you use an SBR to defend your home and the police confiscate it in wake of a home defense shooting, as they usually do, how do you handle the matter with the ATF since it represents a transfer of ownership-if even a temporary one?

    And will this have an effect on your ownership and future ownership with the ATF?
    You report it stolen to the ATF.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tdoom15 View Post
    What constitutes a "justified" shooting?
    The person is in your home or attempting to remove you from your car (castle). Have your CCW and are attacked (with a weapon or there are more than one male attackers).




    What if you find a theif in your house, it's dark and you don't know if he is armed and he runs?
    Castle doctrine doesn't require them to have a weapon, you STILL have to ID the threat though. So that means a white light on your weapon or a handheld flashlight. Oh and this is where lots of room clearing/low light training comes into play.



    As much as I am for gun rights, CCW permits are ridiculously easy to obtain in Indiana and NO guidelines are given to you. I personally feel it should be like obtaining a driver's license and that a test and instruction is necessary, atleast hand out a rule book of acceptable behavior, where you can/can't carry, etc...I know what I would do in a lot of these situations, but I'd venture to bet a lot of people haven't thought about it, including many CCW permit holders I know and these things happen in a split second.

    Sorry if this is somewhat off topic, but if anyone has some good reading, would love to see it.

    (Edit: some good info since I started writing this)
    Generally speaking, CCW classes include a handbook of the laws. It is YOUR JOB to know the law. If you are carrying a weapon and do not know your states laws, then you are a moron. Ya I said it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tdoom15 View Post
    How on earth do you figure?

    It is ridiculously easy to obtain your CCW permit in indiana, you fill out some paper work, get a background check and have your prints taken. Easy, that's is a fact. (Edit: I am NOT saying that it is a bad thing, but why not offer people some instruction??)
    The ease in which you can obtain a CCW license has ZERO to do with anything. In fact, you shouldn't even have to have a special license to carry concealed.


    Carrying a handgun is serious, for the majority of people on here, rules and common sense may not be a problem...but there are a lot of stupid people in this world. Handing out a rule book or requiring a 4 hr class to better arm people with knowledge on such an issue is FAR from anti-gun.
    Very serious. How much training have you attended to prepare yourself for a gun fight?


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