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    Quote Originally Posted by tdoom15 View Post
    How on earth do you figure?

    It is ridiculously easy to obtain your CCW permit in indiana, you fill out some paper work, get a background check and have your prints taken. Easy, that's is a fact. (Edit: I am NOT saying that it is a bad thing, but why not offer people some instruction??)

    Are you saying any state that has ANY other requirement than that is "tore up from the floor up"?

    Carrying a handgun is serious, for the majority of people on here, rules and common sense may not be a problem...but there are a lot of stupid people in this world. Handing out a rule book or requiring a 4 hr class to better arm people with knowledge on such an issue is FAR from anti-gun.
    That's more understandable. KS requires class time and a 25 rd qualification to obtain a CCW, but a lot of local trainers are going above and beyond this offering a two-day course over a single weekend or two. I believe the state-standard is an 8-hour class followed by the 25 rd qualification but I can't remember what distance students qualify at.

    edit: I don't want people to misinterpret my post. I fully believe in the phrase that says "Carrying a gun makes you no more of a gunfighter than owning a car makes you Tom Petty." That's paraphrased but you get the jist. Get educated, get training, carry a gun. In that order.
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    Iraqgunz and Ed L.: your posts about AK's are encouraging. Maybe the anti-gunners haven't succeeded in demonizing the weapon as thoroughly as I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonidas24 View Post
    That's more understandable. KS requires class time and a 25 rd qualification to obtain a CCW, but a lot of local trainers are going above and beyond this offering a two-day course over a single weekend or two. I believe the state-standard is an 8-hour class followed by the 25 rd qualification but I can't remember what distance students qualify at.
    Been a couple years since I took the class, but the longest range was 10 yards. If I recall, it was 5 shot strings, one strong hand only at 3 yards, one freestyle 3 yards, one string at 5 yards, one at 7 yards, then one at 10 yards. Had to score 18/25 to pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammage View Post
    Been a couple years since I took the class, but the longest range was 10 yards. If I recall, it was 5 shot strings, one strong hand only at 3 yards, one freestyle 3 yards, one string at 5 yards, one at 7 yards, then one at 10 yards. Had to score 18/25 to pass.
    My father-in-law was telling me about it recently. He qualified with a Mauser HSC drawn from a WWII German officer's holster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post

    Generally speaking, CCW classes include a handbook of the laws. It is YOUR JOB to know the law. If you are carrying a weapon and do not know your states laws, then you are a moron. Ya I said it.



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    This is exactly my point, there are a lot of morons out there. Indiana does not offer any information upon recieving or obtaining your permit. I personally believe some information or teaching should be provided...if you already have to have your prints taken, background check, etc...what's the harm in requiring a 4hr class to provide information to those who aren't clear? Even just handing out a packet with a few pages of reading would be acceptable to me. Most CCW permit holders that I know in this state, do not know the law and will never bc they either do not care or will never take the time to research it.

    Again, I'm not talking about people that are on this site, as if you are someone who takes enough time to be here, you probably have a solid understanding of how things work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdoom15 View Post
    This is exactly my point, there are a lot of morons out there. Indiana does not offer any information upon recieving or obtaining your permit. I personally believe some information or teaching should be provided...if you already have to have your prints taken, background check, etc...what's the harm in requiring a 4hr class to provide information to those who aren't clear? Even just handing out a packet with a few pages of reading would be acceptable to me. Most CCW permit holders that I know in this state, do not know the law and will never bc they either do not care or will never take the time to research it.
    I actually have zero problem with them not providing and info. You can go look it up yourself. If people are to lazy to not know the law, then that is on them and they get what they get.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed L. View Post
    My only question is if you use an SBR to defend your home and the police confiscate it in wake of a home defense shooting, as they usually do, how do you handle the matter with the ATF since it represents a transfer of ownership-if even a temporary one?

    And will this have an effect on your ownership and future ownership with the ATF?
    While it is illegal for anyone to possess an SBR other than the person on the paperwork that wouldn't affect it being held as evidence by Police. Think of it this way, it is illegal for me to possess cocaine but it is legal for me to hold it as evidence. The same is true of someone else's SBR. I cannot possess your SBR legally but if I take it as evidence that is clearly an exception.

    Given the regulations surrounding SBR's we would check with the ATF to ensure the proper paperwork was filed, which would notify them that we were in possession of said weapon, but provided the shooter was cleared the weapon would be returned like any other. It should have no bearing on your background check with the ATF regarding future NFA purchases either.

    I use a personally owned SBR as a patrol rifle. If I use it in a Police action shooting it will spend some time away from me. I don't lose any sleep over the NFA possession requirements as it being held as evidence would not be a violation. I would just have to use one of my other AR's for patrol duties until I get it back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    The ease in which you can obtain a CCW license has ZERO to do with anything. In fact, you shouldn't even have to have a special license to carry concealed.
    Never said it did. Constitutionally, yes there shouldn't necessarily be any restrictions. Personally, I don't have a problem with the background check etc (though I don't like that your prints are now kept on file according to my sherrif's dept)...as I believe that if you are felon, then you are subject to possibly losing your rights to carry.

    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Very serious. How much training have you attended to prepare yourself for a gun fight?

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    Formal training, not much to speak of, but will likely now that I am out of college and recently back from the last couple years of living in Chicago. I come from a military family and have been shooting for the last 21 years (since I was about 5). I am comfortable with a lot of weapon types (collectively, my family owns a good 40+ different firearms), and I shoot a good 4-800 rounds a month. Not saying that it is a lot by any means, but perhaps more than the average and I feel very comfortable in my ability to defend myself.

    I just believe giving people the tools to be better aware isn't a bad thing. This is of course, my personal opinion.

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    tdoom15, I think the reason you have some posters attacking you is because the wording of your post seems to indicate you want more restrictions on the right to carry a handgun. Most people on this site, myself included, see that as a protected constitutional right that shouldn't be restricted any more than freedom of speech or freedom of religion. It isn't the same as a license to drive, which requires testing, because driving is not a protected right.

    I do agree that the state providing information would be a good thing to do, but I also think it would be a courtesy not a requirement. As has been pointed out, anyone wanting to carry a pistol needs to take that responsibility seriously and obtain all necessary training and information. We all know that won't always be the case, and I've met some CCW holders that have done some flat stupid things with their handguns and gone to jail for it.

    Personally, I would like to offer a course through my PD for citizens that would like some training for both the legal aspects as well as the mechanics of defensive pistol shooting. Unfortunately, it will never happen with my administration. Too much liability over range safety and concern over the PR problems of teaching people to "kill" one another. Why we let foolish liberals dictate so much of our policy is beyond me, but I'm not yet to a level in my career where I can change any of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I actually have zero problem with them not providing and info. You can go look it up yourself. If people are to lazy to not know the law, then that is on them and they get what they get.


    C4
    That's fine, then you and I shall respectively disagree. However, I do agree that if you do decide to carry, that you should know the laws (since they do not provide it for you), and it will be your own fault if you don't.

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