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    People undergo background checks when they purchase a weapon. I don't think instruction should be a requirement. Quite simply if you don't seek out training that's on you. If you screw up you will pay the price both criminally and in civil court.

    Once you make it a requirement the .GOV steps in and it becomes a nightmare. I am not against a background check per se. But, constitutional carry is better. Quite simply if you are a convicted felon (or other prohibited person) and you are caught with a firearm you go to prison. End of story. If you are a law abiding citizen then you have nothing to fear.

    Quote Originally Posted by tdoom15 View Post
    I said in that post that I don't believe it should be harder and I don't necessarily believe there should be an actual test, but I do believe some instruction should be given, whether by class or by information handed out. I do think it is the right for every law abiding citizen to be able to cc if they choose to do so.

    As far as background checks go, see my above post..that's just how I personally feel about it



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhurdan View Post
    You (or I, as the case may be) can still get or renew your CHL in the state of Wyoming to retain reciprocity. I'm on process of renewing my right now.
    Right, and doesn't Az also have the option of obtaining a permit? What I meant by that was for someone that lives there and decides to carry under Az (or the other states') law will need to get a non-res permit from another state that will cover their travel needs.

    No big deal, just a point. My wife and I use to travel all the time, but with the kids it's a bit less though we still make Vegas a couple times along with a few other trips. Until a couple years ago, I Gould carry in Vegas on a Tx chl, but they stopped reciprocity and now you need a Nevada license. But still, most of my travels in the US are covered under the Tx chl and when we drive, I keep a route that allows me to carry the entire time, or at worst, go through one state that is not covered along the way.

    Still, we're many times better off than a decade ago. If you go to uscarry.or, IIRC, there's a map that shows the reciprocity and state rights, but also shows how it was in the past. Very interesting to see the changes in such a short timeframe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    People undergo background checks when they purchase a weapon. I don't think instruction should be a requirement. Quite simply if you don't seek out training that's on you. If you screw up you will pay the price both criminally and in civil court.

    Once you make it a requirement the .GOV steps in and it becomes a nightmare. I am not against a background check per se. But, constitutional carry is better. Quite simply if you are a convicted felon (or other prohibited person) and you are caught with a firearm you go to prison. End of story. If you are a law abiding citizen then you have nothing to fear.

    I completely agree. I don't think it would be a bad idea like I mentioned if they send out a book that has case studies, current law and examples maybe, but I don't think anything should be mandatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdoom15 View Post
    More non-sense from you? I grew up in Indiana, in the country. Went to college in Indiana, moved to Chicago for 2 years at age 23, my opinions had long since formed. My family is military since WW2, there is no bred-in beliefs that are influenced by any city living. Learn to read in context, and good luck trying to be accurate the next time you make an uneducated guess at something.

    You act like we are SOOO far apart on our beliefs lol, it's laughable.
    We both believe every law abiding citizen should be able to CCW, the difference is that I say background checks and instruction on carrying has their place, and you don't.

    I don't know why I waste time responding to this bc you can no more change your in-bred, ignorant, closed-minded way of thinking, than a tiger can change his stripes. The lack of taught reasoning skills, starting from childhood is very complete. No offense, of course.
    :-) If you want to compare brain pans and education, by all means, go right ahead. You're going to lose miserably, unless you're an MD or Ph.D., but by all means, continue.

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    Jon,

    Research Arizona Senate bill 1108. I don't believe that "constitutional carry" applies only to residents of the state. I couldn't find any language that states it, in any case.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonconsiglio View Post
    Right, and doesn't Az also have the option of obtaining a permit? What I meant by that was for someone that lives there and decides to carry under Az (or the other states') law will need to get a non-res permit from another state that will cover their travel needs.

    No big deal, just a point. My wife and I use to travel all the time, but with the kids it's a bit less though we still make Vegas a couple times along with a few other trips. Until a couple years ago, I Gould carry in Vegas on a Tx chl, but they stopped reciprocity and now you need a Nevada license. But still, most of my travels in the US are covered under the Tx chl and when we drive, I keep a route that allows me to carry the entire time, or at worst, go through one state that is not covered along the way.

    Still, we're many times better off than a decade ago. If you go to uscarry.or, IIRC, there's a map that shows the reciprocity and state rights, but also shows how it was in the past. Very interesting to see the changes in such a short timeframe.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Jon,

    Research Arizona Senate bill 1108. I don't believe that "constitutional carry" applies only to residents of the state. I couldn't find any language that states it, in any case.


    I think I may have worded it wrong, sorry about that. I am pretty confident that Az, and most likely the other constitutional carry states, allow residents and no-residents to carry in the state of Arizona, for example.

    The only thing I would look at as a resident of that state, and I'm not co plainly about it in any way whatsoever, is when I want to travel out of my home state but still want to carry. In that case if I lived in Az, I'd most likely still opt for a permit or a non-resident permit from Florida, Utah or Texas so I could carry when I left Arizona for a trip, work, vacation, etc.

    That's the ONLY benefit of the permit over donstituional carry that I could possibly think of.

    Jon
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    Just a few things.

    You still need a permit in Arizona if you want to carry in a bar/ restaraunt that serves alcohol. In addition the permit is also protection when traveling near schools "Gun Free School Zone Act".

    In Wyoming, you must be a resident of that state. Vermont, AK and AZ it is not required. AFAIK.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonconsiglio View Post
    I think I may have worded it wrong, sorry about that. I am pretty confident that Az, and most likely the other constitutional carry states, allow residents and no-residents to carry in the state of Arizona, for example.

    The only thing I would look at as a resident of that state, and I'm not co plainly about it in any way whatsoever, is when I want to travel out of my home state but still want to carry. In that case if I lived in Az, I'd most likely still opt for a permit or a non-resident permit from Florida, Utah or Texas so I could carry when I left Arizona for a trip, work, vacation, etc.

    That's the ONLY benefit of the permit over donstituional carry that I could possibly think of.

    Jon



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Just a few things.

    You still need a permit in Arizona if you want to carry in a bar/ restaraunt that serves alcohol. In addition the permit is also protection when traveling near schools "Gun Free School Zone Act".

    In Wyoming, you must be a resident of that state. Vermont, AK and AZ it is not required. AFAIK.
    See, I wasn't aware of that about the restaurants and alcohol. Good info but even though I guess I understand it, I think you should be on equal ground, not a step down from permit holders.

    The school thing is interesting too. Here, we can walk around a campus, just not enter any buildings or attend any school events. I would like to see that changed as I think that's one of the kore vulnerable places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuietShootr View Post
    :-) If you want to compare brain pans and education, by all means, go right ahead. You're going to lose miserably, unless you're an MD or Ph.D., but by all means, continue.
    Whatever you say cupcake

    You've still yet to say anything with any substance, you'd rather mindlessly attack than have any type of discourse, so I'm going to do us all a favor and end our conversation.

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    PLEASE STOP WITH THE 13 YEAR OLD BULLSHIT. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.



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