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    I can see that if I were ST, knowing how the "community" is, having had to decide weather to just say "hey these are FN barrels we had made" and have a chorus of people calling BS on them, or to put FN on there to say "yes, they are, look we marked em FN, we'd be in court if we did that and they weren't, right? so there." Makes sense to me. It's marketing. We had t-shirts made at work last month with the maker of the stuff we sell's product on it, which may as well be a logo for what it is. Same crap. Besides it's under the hand guard, 90% of people will never see it. If it was out past the front sight on the barrel, well..

    I get the "don't brag, let the product speak for itself" attitude, but everyone has a logo or a rollmark or something they plaster on stuff, and they all brag one way or another. Ain't no worse than the gunfighter bit or running your shit over with a truck to me, it's all pretty goofy when you really think about it, appealing to the inner-Clint Eastwood/Rambo in us all. PSA bragged about it plenty online and on there site with the FN barrels, I don't know who else uses them(since they don't advertise it I guess).

    edit to add: absolutely it isn't TDP. This is a desirable thing in this case, for me anyway.
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    Yeah if the "FN" mark was just put on the barrel by Spikes to make some profit I'm sure by know FN would know about it and have something to say about it.

    Of course mine comes in tom which is a day before I go on vacation so I will have to wait patiently for a whole week without going to shoot it

    Let us know how it shoots when you are done. I'm anxious to hear some range reports about this upper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_walker View Post
    I can see that if I were ST, knowing how the "community" is, having had to decide weather to just say "hey these are FN barrels we had made" and have a chorus of people calling BS on them, or to put FN on there to say "yes, they are, look we marked em FN, we'd be in court if we did that and they weren't, right? so there." Makes sense to me. It's marketing. We had t-shirts made at work last month with the maker of the stuff we sell's product on it, which may as well be a logo for what it is. Same crap. Besides it's under the hand guard, 90% of people will never see it. If it was out past the front sight on the barrel, well..

    I get the "don't brag, let the product speak for itself" attitude, but everyone has a logo or a rollmark or something they plaster on stuff, and they all brag one way or another. Ain't no worse than the gunfighter bit or running your shit over with a truck to me, it's all pretty goofy when you really think about it, appealing to the inner-Clint Eastwood/Rambo in us all. PSA bragged about it plenty online and on there site with the FN barrels, I don't know who else uses them(since they don't advertise it I guess).
    I am all for putting a companies logo on the product. So ST ORDERED these barrels TO THEIR SPEC's. FN just happened to make them for them. So when ST ordered barrels from their normal barrel maker, how come they don't put that companies name on those barrels??

    Get it now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by blgjr64 View Post
    Yeah if the "FN" mark was just put on the barrel by Spikes to make some profit I'm sure by know FN would know about it and have something to say about it.
    Nope. FN has no idea. As a FN LE Dealer, trust me when I say that FN has almost no idea about what goes on around the net or what some dealer is engraving on a barrel they special ordered.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    What makes be believe this is that I know how the barrels come from FN when a gun dealer special orders barrels.

    Never said these weren't "FN" barrels. What I said is that they are NOT barrels made for the Military following the TDP. Only barrels made for .Mil contracts have "FN's" roll mark on the barrel. Then, the buyer (in this case ST) laser engraves whatever they want onto the barrel. So for me, to laser engrave "FN" onto the barrel is a rather cheesy.
    Notice that other companies that buy FN barrels do not do this.


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    Understood. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Grant, what do you think about these barrels? Good? Do you know anything about this specific barrel? Or is this barrel pretty new to the market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I am all for putting a companies logo on the product. So ST ORDERED these barrels TO THEIR SPEC's. FN just happened to make them for them. So when ST ordered barrels from their normal barrel maker, how come they don't put that companies name on those barrels??

    Get it now?


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    I get it, but nobody else brags about there barrels either, you even made that point earlier. ST/AIM is in this case because the FN name is hot right now, everyone slobbers over FN stuff. Look at that other thread about FN bolts, you can get a great bolt damn near anywhere these days, cheap, and people are still trying to get FN stuff. It's a good marketing call by whoever did decide it, and we'll never know if it was AIM or ST unless they decide to ramble on about it. I dig it because I can't bring myself to believe that FN would make a shitty barrel for someone just to get there money, if they will it speaks (bad) volumes about everything they do in my book. Just the way I look at things in business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blgjr64 View Post
    Understood. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Grant, what do you think about these barrels? Good? Do you know anything about this specific barrel? Or is this barrel pretty new to the market?
    I am familiar with FN made barrels as several quality companies use them and have so for years (quietly).

    The barrels quality depends on how the customer specs them. Meaning, the contour, chamber dims, gas port size, etc ,etc.

    To date, I have only ever handled one ST barrel (which I had destructive tested). So I have no comment on these barrels (sorry).


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    Coming from a Sales & Marketing background I see it differently and feel that Spikes is taking a big step by adding some transparency to their marketing strategy. By marking the barrels they are addressing the sure to come questions over who makes their barrels and whether they are made of quality materials. Everyone knows FN doesn't make junk and the reality is that providing them with "proper" specs for any order isn't that hard to do. This is a much different approach than everyone else has traditionally taken with all of the secrecy around who makes their stuff. Of course they aren't questioned about their quality on a regular basis nor asked to provide detailed specs and testing data for public review, so thats why I can see the merit in what Spikes is doing.

    As for FN knowing or not knowing about the barrel markings, I don't really feel its fair for any of us to "assume" we know what took place during the order process and what details about such markings were worked out during the deal between those two companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_walker View Post
    I get it, but nobody else brags about there barrels either, you even made that point earlier. ST/AIM is in this case because the FN name is hot right now, everyone slobbers over FN stuff. Look at that other thread about FN bolts, you can get a great bolt damn near anywhere these days, cheap, and people are still trying to get FN stuff. It's a good marketing call by whoever did decide it, and we'll never know if it was AIM or ST unless they decide to ramble on about it. I dig it because I can't bring myself to believe that FN would make a shitty barrel for someone just to get there money, if they will it speaks (bad) volumes about everything they do in my book. Just the way I look at things in business.
    IMHO, ONLY FN can and should put "FN's" name on a barrel. The reason for this is because people will see that and think "Oh, FN now makes a middy barrel in a weird profile and ST is distributing them." They will also follow this line of thinking to the next thought pattern that these barrels meet all TDP specs and are endorsed by FN. This would be incorrect (in some or all aspects).


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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoo95 View Post
    Coming from a Sales & Marketing background I see it differently and feel that Spikes is taking a big step by adding some transparency to their marketing strategy. By marking the barrels they are addressing the sure to come questions over who makes their barrels and whether they are made of quality materials. Everyone knows FN doesn't make junk and the reality is that providing them with "proper" specs for any order isn't that hard to do. This is a much different approach than everyone else has traditionally taken with all of the secrecy around who makes their stuff. Of course they aren't questioned about their quality on a regular basis nor asked to provide detailed specs and testing data for public review, so thats why I can see the merit in what Spikes is doing.

    As for FN knowing or not knowing about the barrel markings, I don't really feel its fair for any of us to "assume" we know what took place during the order process and what details about such markings were worked out during the deal between those two companies.

    If a product is quality, it will stand on its own. That's why companies that have been using FN barrels for YEAR's didn't need to tell anyone.

    If you are a quality company, you do not need to convince ANYONE that your products are good to go. For instances, when Noveske, Colt, DD or BCM offer a barrel, no one starts threads asking if it is quality or not.

    Now if your company is known for lower end products, mis-leading people or information or you do not know what you are talking about (in regards to the TDP), then you will have to do things in order to "convince" people that they are GTG.

    When ordering a barrel, you must provide a drawing with all specs. Yes, you can get a copy of the right specs, but at the end of the day, FN is going to follow EXACTLY what you give them.

    Having talked to FN about barrels AND know how the ordering process goes with them, I can just about gurantee that FN did not say, "Oh ya, go ahead and laser engrave our name on the barrel you designed."


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