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Thread: Would the Surefire 60 round AR15 mag be good for Law Enforcement duty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skintop911 View Post
    There is limited utility for these magazines for general LE patrol work, for the reasons already posted by others. With budget and resource allocation realities, it's difficult to justify them in an honest cost:benefit analysis.

    Where useful in LE patrol, I see these magazines in a crisis deployment/drop bag of some sort.

    There are LE and security users that will benefit and put them to good use. Those user groups will be sufficiently funded that the price tag is no problem. This is not a magazine for the masses, and upon information and belief, is not intended to be.
    I think this right on target.

    A big part of the reason I keep my rifle handy any time I am out on the streets is for the crisis response - active shooter or north hollywood style shoot out. Part of what LE is getting paid for is to be ready to respond to these type of scenarios, regardless of the rarity of these events.

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    Some people overestimate the weight of the 60 rounder. I do enjoy 30 rounds personally, and because of how I've practiced it's natural to know when I've shot "about 30 rounds". [I do prefer 30 rounders in-general]

    I would say that anyone in a defensive role could utilize a 60 round mag effectively.
    "Effective" doesn't always mean you're hitting the bad guy. Some times keeping rounds going covers your guys and a reload with whatever crazy cover you may be using in whatever position is cutting it close for the lives at stake. The 60 rounder for sure could be used as an effective tool in the mag pouch. that said, some pouches do fit the 60 rounder, how else would guys stack two in?

    The only big disadvantage to a 60 rounder to me is the fact it's fat, but that's just life.

    Certainly these mags have a great place for use in the military as well- hence why some soldiers are using them [apparently].

    The 100 rounders are more questionable than the 60 in my opinion. And what about those 40 rounders Magpul is going to put out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casull View Post
    ....."Effective" doesn't always mean you're hitting the bad guy. Some times keeping rounds going covers your guys and a reload with whatever crazy cover you may be using in whatever position is cutting it close for the lives at stake.....Certainly these mags have a great place for use in the military as well....
    Other than the military and maybe Mexico, where in the heck is someone going to get into a gunfight such as you describe?

    "Keeping rounds going" is, for the military routine, for LE, dubious and for the civilian, crazy. Those rounds go somewhere. That somewhere may be a a person other than a bad guy.

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    Dunno, mister.

    Like I said, a tool in the mag pouch. 30 rounds is a boat load as it is.

    Edit: Admittedly so, not likely unless you're SWAT and/or protecting the boarder. Thumbs up.
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    Still, it's going to be a hoot to have a couple. Some of the more traditional folks at my home range cast a jaded eye on a 30 round magazine. A couple of these might cause one of them to pass out!
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    I like the idea of having a 30 rnd pmag in the gun and one or two of these 60 rounders for reloads. I think if you have to (choose to) emergency (tac) reload, you are in a gunfight. And in that scenario I don't want to reload again for as long as possible. Can't speak for le, that's the next step for me but I'd be out of my lane. But I do think that this may be a bit more practical than having the 60 in the gun at all times.

    For the record, at no time in the near future am I gonna spend $130 on a mag. It's just too expensive. If had two for my kit, I would need 2 more to use as dedicated training mags and maybe a spare or two. That's a lot of money.

    Any word on 60 rounders from magpul anytime in the future? I think surefire may have priced themselves out of the market at this price point unless they get big mil or gov contracts.
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    My take on this if you haven't put rounds into your intended target with a 30 rounder -why do you think a 60 rounder is going to save you! One should consintrate on hits vs. volume of fire- especially LEO's!

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    Gunnutaf - brother you have a point, to a degree, but you're covering a lot of situations with a vastly generalized point of view. Just because most pistol gun fights require less than a mag, would you advocate carrying only the mag in your gun? We have lanes for a reason, maybe you're a bit out of yours?
    Last edited by sboza; 07-19-11 at 18:58.

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    I believe it bears repeating that, as a LEO, you are held seriously accountable for where your rounds go. It is a different ball game in theater in the military. Sure you want to avoid collateral damage, but your priority is putting down the threat. Different animal being a LEO.

    Law enforcement is expected (erroneously, may I add) to be able to shoot to wound and disable a hostile subject. They are expected to hit their target regardless of the scenario. All of this runs contrary to the fact that most departments don't train their officers to be shooters. Most officers I associate with shoot more than just the yearly qualification, but I know just as many who don't. I know plenty who draw their weapon at the range on qual day, clean it and load it, and then don't take it out of their holster again until next year.

    Adding more ammo to the magazine in the rifle will increase an inaccurate officer's chance of scoring a hit in the same way that rolling a pair of dice more often will increase your likelihood of rolling snake eyes. It does not make up for an officer's ability to accurately engage a target. That comes from training.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sboza View Post
    .....We have lanes for a reason, maybe you're a bit out of yours?
    We don't play the "out of your lane" card much on this forum. If someone has an opinion you disagree with, refute it and offer a contrary opinion. If you have experience say so, if you are green say that ( I often do ). If someone is full of shit, say so but don't try to deprive them of their right to be full of shit.

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