
Originally Posted by
Gutshot John
Hey you made the statement that you made it look easy after I told you you had missed the point.
Always and never are two standards of proof to which I never subscribe or aspire. You made the claim that the low powered variables are RDS killers, sorry bud but the burden of proof is on you. I didn't make the claim, you did.
When I said you weren't "trying" that hard was that your videos don't really show a real test. If your video had shown you shooting upside down underneath a car against moving targets...well then you might have something. As it stands you were simply looking to provide evidence that comes to the conclusion you wanted it to. You didn't try to disproove your own assumption. This is the antithesis of testing.
I don't video tape drills to post on the internet to show what a cool guy I am. I run them for my own results and finding what works for me. I'm not so arrogant to believe that what works for me works for everyone. You can either accept my word or not. I will say that your videos prove nothing other than what you wanted them to say. I did say that static, standard, shooting positions against static targets at close range, the differences between an RDS and a variable optic are negligible (the RDS will still be faster). Where the RDS kicks the snot out of low-powered variables is in a dynamic environment against dynamic targets, while you're doing something other than standing up. Even still at that range your accuracy was less than impressive. It looked as if you were gaming it.
Like I said the burden of proof is on you to prove your claims rather than on me to disprove them.
The part in red was proven wrong.
My videos were of a test of shooting ability with various optics. I have shot many more as well. I have already conceaded that shooting from an akward position like under a vehicle with the rifle canted the edge will go to the red dot. But in the majority of shooting positions the 1-4 holds it own and it has a huge edge in distance shootng or for shooting at smaller targets.
Hate to tell you but the majority of self defense shootings don't involve crunching up in urban prone. They involve shootnig off hand on the move, kneeling behind cover or shooting prone. You accuse me of dismissing weakness I don't like. You on the otherhand are ignoring several advantages the low power variables have because of one weakness. Your throwing the baby out with the bath water.
As for the video its not about arrogance its about putting my money where my mouth is. What is arrogant is to state your opinion as fact and get insulted when people don't take it as the gospel without any proof. Now you can claim all you want that RDS sights are faster in all situations and that is simply false and I know it from personal experience. There is only one situaiton where they have an edge and we have covered that.
As for gaming it in the videos. You have no concept of what gaming is apparently. There is no way to game such a simple drill. Gaming involves taking a complicated course of fie and finding the most efficient way to shoot it. Shooting 3 targets at close range is so simple there is only one way to do it. My accuracy was fine considering the speed at which I fired and what my target was. I was not trying to shoot 1 inch groups but rather hit com as fast as I could like in a real life scenario.
You have made some of your theories known in this thread but have yet to back them up with anything. Get back to me when you do.
Pat
Last edited by Alaskapopo; 08-01-11 at 15:29.
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