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Anyone else wondering why this is postied in AR General Discussion and not Precision or Custom forums?
Last edited by 120mm; 07-25-11 at 02:38.
I decided in 2005 that I wanted a very accurate AR for varmint shooting and after a little research I ended up with a Les Baer .204 that will shoot 5 shot groups well under 1/2 inch for only $2,300 not counting the $900 glass on top. I got exactly what I wanted, an eleven pound tank that is stupid accurate and very reliable.
I am now building my second AR, because I care about accuracy more than barrle life I am going with a BCM SS 16" with DD rail. This rifle will be my tuck gun first and my match and class gun second. I wanted to stay under 1K but after much research I have decided that I will wait longer and spend more to get the gun I want vs rush it and end up with something that I aint happy with.
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I thought the same at first about it appearing a bit off, but my guess by the overall tone and out of place smilies and hahaha's is that the OP is possibly new to this sort of thing. I would venture a guess that he maybe comes from a different type of forum or community that's geared towards gaming maybe or possibly a firearms forum aimed at the hobby end of things. This is just a guess based on the tone and not meant to judge.
OP, this is not an insult to you as we all started somewhere, but my advice is to tone down the use of emoticons and lol/hahaha's (for example, your location "Amishville, Oh HAHAHA!, that's not really funny), speak a little more direct and address any questions you think may arise before they do in your opening post if possible.. You'll most likely be taken more seriously and get direct answers. And by all means, remember that there's a good chance the people that reply may very well work in this industry or are quite possibly some sort of professional that though they enjoy the AR and shooting in general, they take it more seriously and look at it as a fighting weapon first.
To respond to your question, I think you can close to a grand, but will likely go a bit over. You can get a stripped BCM 16" middy stainless steel upper for a little under $500 right now. Add a BCG and fixed rear DD or LMT sight for another $200 for a total of $700. Granted, a free float hand guard would be the better choice here it's a start and can be added later. You can buy a stripped DD or Noveske lower and use basic components for about $400 or a little under, especially if you find a blem'd lower, using a standard lower parts kit. You can upgrade the stock and trigger later when you feel the need.
So, for about $1,100, you can get a great rifle from one of the better companies out there that will shoot under MOA and you can upgrade the components as you feel necessary.
Assembling it yourself won't make a bit of difference unless there's absolutely no way to find what you want and have to buy piece by piece, but I don't see that being necessary, just buy a base upper from BCM and add the components you'd like or have them do it. We're not fitting a 1911 here where many parts are pressed, honed, shaved and fitted to squeeze every last bit of accuracy out of it. With the M4, it's not done that way for the most part zo there's really nothing we'll do by assembling it ourselves, especially for someone new to doing it this way.
Personally, I would just buy one of their 16" recces with a chf barrel and call it good if I needed an AR that's more accurate than the ones I already own. Just my personal experience, but I've never found that I needed more accuracy than my KAC SR15 can give me. If I had to make some incredibly accurate shot, I have other rifles that would be more suited to that role in 7.62, 338 Lapua and 50bmg. If it had to be a 5.56, I'd be more than happy with a mk12 mod 1 or any similar type upper.
Jonathan
Last edited by jonconsiglio; 07-25-11 at 09:46.
Proven combat techniques may not be flashy and may require a bit more physical effort on the part of the shooter. Further, they may not win competition matches, but they will help ensure your survival in a shooting or gunfight on the street. ~ Paul Howe
Yes I am new to being a member of a forum. I apologize for not getting topic in the right category the first time. Ill get it right if i ever post something again. Sorry to the fellers I offended about calling the FBS ugly. My second rifle will be bare bones and have one.
It happens, so don't worry about it. Read some of the stickies in the General Discussion subforum (I don't mean the AR General Discussion subforum). A few tips that may help you out here.
- don't ask it if you can search it
- when you do ask, ask exactly what you mean and be as thorough as possible
- post as if you're talking to a coworker you just met, not like a friend in high school (that'll come with time)
- don't post about simple comments with no substance and especially dont start threads like that, an example would be about a price tou saw at a local shop or "I bought a new AR and it's really neat!" without including a detailed range report at least. These posts are commonly referred to as "twitter posts" and don't go over very well
- Stay away from answering questions with "I heard from a guy..." or "the guy at the gunshop told me..." or "that new AR accessory looks stupid and is probably junk" if you don't have personal experience with it beyond 30 seconds at the gun shop. If you have something to share, it's best if it's from personal experience, not based on what you think, but what you experienced for yourself.
I'm in no position here to tell anyone what they need to do, so please don't take it that way. These are just suggestions I try to follow personally as it gives a little more credibility, hopefully, to the things I do say. Theres been an abundance lately of new guys popping up with the most useless things to say and it does nothing but waste the time of members willing to help out and the mods that have to deal with it.
I hope you understand I'm just throwing out some friendly advice so you can gain and hopefully contribute to this forum. I don't mean to derail your thread at all but figured it may help you out. To stay on topic here, if you are looking for a $1,000 tac driver, you'll find it if you're serious. My only question to you about this is what you mean by tac driver (distance and MOA) and what your use for this rifle will be.
Jonathan
Last edited by jonconsiglio; 07-25-11 at 15:10. Reason: Spelling
Proven combat techniques may not be flashy and may require a bit more physical effort on the part of the shooter. Further, they may not win competition matches, but they will help ensure your survival in a shooting or gunfight on the street. ~ Paul Howe
Most of my time will be spent at 100 yards. Anything sub 1 MOA at 100 yards will keep me happy. I also want this to be my coyote killer. So I need the 300 yard accuracy. Wind and tree branches are the only thing I want from getting that. My trigger finger is just fine.
My friends and I always have a shoot out when we camp. Where we stick a white thumb tac on a white sheet of paper at 50 yards and irons only till we push it through. Buddys gramp and I are always In the finals. His bigger bullet usually wins with his springfrield m1. Well I cant afford to shoot the .308. This is my 3rd reason for reliable accuracy.
But thats off topic again![]()
For the most part you fellers answered the question. Its just i'm going to be spending about 1400 to 1500 on a complete the way I like. Which doesnt bother me one bit. Just wanted to see how many
people built a rifle shooting "talk about groupings" for under 1000$
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