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Thread: Favorite 100 yd non-magnified zero target?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryr8828 View Post
    What a bunch of bullshit. I use 50 either because I'm lazy or because I suck?

    I've printed out ballistic charts for every cartridge I shoot and 50 yards works for me with all of them.

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    I put thought into this and it worked out this way. Works for what I do.
    Just because someone doesn't do things the way you or rob s does it doesn't mean they suck.
    Unless I am mistaken "sometimes" and "some people" does not equal "always" and "all people". It is a far reach to interpret me as saying everyone who chooses a 25 or 50 yard zero range as being lazy or someone who sucks.

    The trend of course would be for lazy and poor shooters to lean to the least work possible and the easiest way of doing something and often leaving it at that and/or even doing a poor job at it. In the case of sighting something in the easiest way possible and the least work is zeroing at closer ranges and if they cheap out on how well they do it then its worse and worse at range.

    Being easy and all that is also what makes it a smart idea to walk out a target instead of going guns blazing at max range without a general zero. Now I suppose I am going to get badgered for saying people who take a gun out of box and start zeroing at 200 yards are stupid
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    ...with a 100 yard zero you get initial intersection, maximum ordinate, and zero all ~at the same point...
    I was about to throw the BS flag until I saw the tilde (which I take to mean "approximately") in front of the "at." I'm with you.

    But at the risk of poking the bear, I have to ask...after we get POI=POA do we have to shoot targets at 90 and 110 (to confirm max ord lies on the near side of 100) before we tell anyone that our rifle truly is "zeroed" at 100?

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    You prefer a 100 yard zero. Good for you, but it is the same concept as zeroing at 50. Your zero is only dead on at 100 and as you stated, +/- 2 inches out to 200. You don't have a precise poa/poi anywhere else along the trajectory except 100 but you know you will hit your yarget. The 50 yard zero is about 2 inches high at 150 and back on point of aim at a little past 200. The 100 is about 2 inches low as it gets to 190 +/-.Using the 100 works for you, but the concept you use is the same as those who prefer a 50.

    Zero at a distance that allows effective hits on target anywhere along the trajectory out to a given range after which the shooter will need to hold over.

    Do you really think it's harder to zero at 100 than 50?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWood View Post
    Any zero is only "dead on" at the zero distance. The concept of a battle zero is to zero at a distance that allows effective hits on target at a range of distances without changing the aiming point. Zeros less than 100 have a second point further down range where the POI will intersect the POA. For me that second point isn't critical, it just means the effective range of the "battle zero" is a little longer.

    A 50 yard zero does not require any "hold unders" out to 218 yards. At CQB distances, a hold at the top of the head is required to hit a paper "bad guy" between the eyes. If 100 works best for you then that is a good zero for your needs.
    Yes, I know the trajectories and crossing/intersecting points. I didn't mean the POI would be "dead on", I just meant my POA would be dead on center mass to around 150 and thats where I would start minor hold overs.

    Your absolutely right though, I might like the 100yd zero and you may like IBZ. It's all about what you feel fits you better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMMOTECH View Post
    Quick question... Are ya'll running the same zero on your BUIS as the red dot?

    I currently have my irons @ 25m and the Aimpoint @ 50y. If I go to a 100y zero I think it would be best to have them the same.

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    I zero everything from my AR's to my bolt guns at 200 yards (well my 22 is at 50 yards) I'm a hunter and I kill shit from 10' to 300 yards, beyond that and I can crank a turret. Have yet to see a 100 yard zero be the best choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by militarymoron View Post
    just for the sake of sharing info, i'll unlock this thread to give rob a chance to explain where/who he gets his definition from, that supports the above statement.
    Did Rob ever come back in and explain what he meant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWR View Post
    I zero everything from my AR's to my bolt guns at 200 yards (well my 22 is at 50 yards) I'm a hunter and I kill shit from 10' to 300 yards, beyond that and I can crank a turret. Have yet to see a 100 yard zero be the best choice.
    I'm a hunter as well, and as such, I agree with you that magnified optics should be (depending on where you hunt) zeroed at 200. The reason I say irons at 100 is because unless you have exceptional eyesight, you won't be able to hit much more than "minute of man" with irons past 200....and I can read the 20/10 line! As it is, the front sight post of the AR takes up pretty much the whole target at 200...hard to be precise much further than that, so I set my irons for the distances that I would most realistically be taking my shots. I wouldn't take a shot on an animal with irons past 100 to be honest...might not make for the most humane shot....and yes I know its been done before, but that's just my opinion. I like to know EXACTLY where my round is going, and at distance, magnification is the way to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TWR View Post
    Have yet to see a 100 yard zero be the best choice.
    For what applications? What were the shortcomings you observed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryr8828 View Post
    What a bunch of bullshit. I use 50 either because I'm lazy or because I suck?
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    Just because someone doesn't do things the way you or rob s does it doesn't mean they suck.
    The above bucket of yuck post and several others smack of folks reading certain posts, mistaking some word or phrase as a hot-button slur against them as a person/parent/citizen/sentient being, applying some spin that'd make freakin' James Carville freakin' blush, and manufacturing an excuse to editorialize.

    Knock.
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    Off.

    This is a target thread, though one wouldn't really know it due to the conspicuous absence of targetry images and files peppering every page.

    We have zero threads; some damned good ones, too. SOMEbody, accept the cleared-hottedness that I assign unto thee, look one up with the orange Search button and resurrect that poor dead horse so you can bludgeon him to death again with the staggering need to needlessly pidgeonhole and sub-categorize something that is very, very simple.

    Executive Summary: The next post after mine had BETTER be a file of some whiz-bang target-type that helps a shooter achieve ?????zero, and how. At which point, any description of that zero and the societal/peer/agency pressures that compelled that shooter to do it that way had best be CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT.

    Otherwise, I'll hard-delete every single post that ISN'T a target, and listen for the wails of :internet-apoplexy: ring from crag to cliffside.

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