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    Quote Originally Posted by Will488 View Post
    Please explain I’m curious.
    I have seen an article online that explains it better than I evidently can (although I'm also having to work against people that think they know they are right when they are not, simply because they believed incorrect information for so long) and I'm trying to find it.

    The first crossing of a projectile and line of sight is called the "initial intersection". It then reaches maximum ordinate above line of sight before it starts on it's way back down, where it passes the line of sight at the "second intersection" or "final intersection". It is this second intersection that we call zero.

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    I see your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I have seen an article online that explains it better than I evidently can (although I'm also having to work against people that think they know they are right when they are not, simply because they believed incorrect information for so long) and I'm trying to find it.
    So now we're slinging veiled insults against people who disagree with the all knowing rob_s. Nice.

    And by the way I think most people would define zero as where POA = POI not just the secondary intersection.


    ETA: I run a 50 yd near-zero. There is that better.
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    Would this be what you're looking for?


    You can find this target and others similar to it here:
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    I found it by searching for "target download" using the "Images" option
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    No insults, facts.

    Why are you so resistant to the idea that you may be wrong? And why does it have anything to do personally with me?

    Just because you believe a thing to be so, and have believed a thing to be so for however long you have believed it, does not make it so. Nor does pointing out that large groups of people share your ignorance. All of Europe once believed the earth was flat.

    Understanding the difference between initial intersection and zero matters. Spend some time on the range wig a group of shooters at various distances and you will start to understand why.

    Very person I have seen that is so rigidly locked in to the idea of a "50 yard zero" has done so for all the wrong reasons and has been utterly shocked when he first time they try to employ that "zero" at longer distances things do not go as planned. Getting initial intersection at 50 yards is an incomplete process. He fact that it is good enough for the majority of shooters says more about gem than it does the process.

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    You can also try Targetz.com for multiple designs. You may be able to find something there as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Would this be what you're looking for?


    You can find this target and others similar to it here:
    http://www.losthunter.com/free_hunting_targets.asp

    I found it by searching for "target download" using the "Images" option
    IME and with my eyes those squares aren't big enough or contrasting enough at 100. I have my own target that is similar to that but with black and yellow but i was looking for somethin with a larger aiming point. I printed some of the targets inculus linked to earlier at 200% and am goig to try a mix of those and 100% versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icculus View Post
    So now we're slinging veiled insults against people who disagree with the all knowing rob_s. Nice.

    And by the way I think most people would define zero as where POA = POI not just the secondary intersection.


    ETA: I run a 50 yd near-zero. There is that better.
    You'll never get the last word; just the way it goes here. From the Molon sticky on this very forum, I think your point is described by this:

    For all other zeroing schemes, there are going to be two points were the bullet crosses the line of sight; the near-zero and the far-zero. For the near-zero, the bullet will cross the line of sight while traveling upwards towards the apogee or “maximum ordinate,” its highest point of travel. For the far-zero, the bullet will cross the line of sight while traveling downward from the maximum ordinate.

    Now, when assigning a name to a particular zeroing scheme, it would be helpful if that name gave descriptive information about that particular zero; that is, the name should give us information about the trajectory and how it is unique and differs from other trajectories.

    As a point of reference, the Santose Improved Battlesight Zero is often referred to as a 50/200 yard zero, however this is incorrect. It is actually a 50 yard/200 meter zeroing scheme .......


    I did learn something about the 100 yard zero though. I wasn't aware that the bullet doesn't continue rising past 100 yards. I also learned that my zero is the 200 meter zero and by my dumb luck I can achieve that zero by setting my RDS to shoot a bugs eye out at 50 yards. What a grand coincidence. This is very helpful since I don't have access to a 200 meter range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWood View Post
    I did learn something about the 100 yard zero though. I wasn't aware that the bullet doesn't continue rising past 100 yards. I also learned that my zero is the 200 meter zero and by my dumb luck I can achieve that zero by setting my RDS to shoot a bugs eye out at 50 yards. What a grand coincidence. This is very helpful since I don't have access to a 200 meter range.
    I thought you mentioned earlier taking Randy's carbine class. If so, you should have gone through the steps to achieve a 200 yard zero, starting with 25 yards to get on paper, 50 to tune it up, and 200 to get it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    No insults, facts.
    "although I'm also having to work against people that think they know they are right when they are not, simply because they believed incorrect information for so long"

    Yes your initial jab at me was an insult. Regardless of whether you perceive it to be fact or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Why are you so resistant to the idea that you may be wrong?...

    Just because you believe a thing to be so, and have believed a thing to be so for however long you have believed it, does not make it so. Nor does pointing out that large groups of people share your ignorance. All of Europe once believed the earth was flat.

    Understanding the difference between initial intersection and zero matters. Spend some time on the range wig a group of shooters at various distances and you will start to understand why.
    Same applies to you so please stop with the psycho analytical babble. Why do you assume that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong and must just be ignorant, some fudd who is out busting dirt clods, or doing things for the wrong reasons because they are dumb and as this forum is fond of saying "don't know what they don't know". Maybe that's not the case but you certainly project arrogance and come across that way. Am I very new to shooting relative to you--yes. Do I know everything and think I'm always right--no I do not. But I do know that when I set my optic so POI = POA at 50 yrds; my rifle indeed has a 50 yd zero. Perhaps we're just arguing semantics but whatever.


    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Very person I have seen that is so rigidly locked in to the idea of a "50 yard zero" has done so for all the wrong reasons and has been utterly shocked when he first time they try to employ that "zero" at longer distances things do not go as planned. Getting initial intersection at 50 yards is an incomplete process. He fact that it is good enough for the majority of shooters says more about gem than it does the process.
    And I do understand why I chose it. I've tried a 100 yd zero and did not prefer it; especially when shooting close in. With my load in my rifle an initial intersection if you like at 50 yds gives me a secondary intersection around 215 (maybe it's 220 but we're talking minor differences at that distance when using a non magnified optic) and yes I've verified it at the far-zero so it wasn't an incomplete process. With that "50 yd zero" I've only got 2 inches of hold-over or under at every distance between say 5 yds and 250 yds. So am I doing it for the wrong reasons? Especially when I'm far more likely to be shooting at 50 instead of 100 and don't want to always have to hold over at those closer distances. And if I've verified impact and know my holds am I any less likely to be effectively accurate at distance than you with a 100 yd zero?

    At this point I'm done with this thread. Feel free to get the last word in if you are so inclined or we can simply leave at alone, we'll agree to disagree and you can think I'm wrong to your hearts content.
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