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Thread: Why YOU should buy a Colt (or LMT, or Noveske, or. . .)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatt View Post
    I've never heard of it being illegal to have full auto parts, it's just illegal to have full auto parts and an AR.
    The issue is not posession, but whether or not Colt can LEGALLY build TDP correct civilian sale rifles. They cannot. Lifted shamelessly from ARF.com

    The BATF has interpreted the law such that parts which would convert a firearm into an NFA firearm are subject to registration including:

    Any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting weapons into machineguns;

    Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for converting a weapon into a machinegun;

    Any combination of parts from which machineguns can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person;

    (see ATF FAQ for more details)


    Due mostly to ignorance on the part of dealers and the general public, there are many rifles out there that are violating the law unknowingly. Most will have a couple of parts, and though the rifle will not be capable of full-auto fire, will still be in violation of the law. It is important to check your rifles and those you consider purchasing, since the penalties can be harsh:

    From: [49 U.S.C. 781-788, 26 U.S.C. 5861, 26 U.S.C. 5872]
    Violators may be fined not more than $250,000, and imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. In addition, any vessel, vehicle or aircraft used to transport, conceal or possess an unregistered NFA firearm is subject to seizure and forfeiture, as is the weapon itself.

    Needless to say, the risks are not worth it so it is important to be able to identify the AR-15 vs.. M16 parts; included here are the trigger, disconnector, hammer, selector, bolt carrier, and auto sear. While it is unlikely that you will ever find the auto sear in a non NFA weapon, any combination of the others is possible.

    The AR-15 and M16 parts are very similar, and unless you know what you're looking for, would most likely not notice. Many of the AR-15 parts have been made by modifying the plentiful M16 parts. Colt has made a number of modifications over the years to their AR-15 lower receivers to minimize the possibility of "misplaced" M16 parts, but on most non-Colt rifles, M16 parts will fit in place of the semi-auto parts. Let's look at these in detail:

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    The issue is not posession, but whether or not Colt can LEGALLY build TDP correct civilian sale rifles. They cannot.
    No kidding Colt can't build a new full auto weapon for civilian sales. They can however make plenty of auto parts for repair of a legal MG built to whatever spec they want. I'm not getting why you keep coming back to this TDP talk. If you send Colt a registered MG reciever they could build it to TDP specs.

    I'm not going to argue about the legal issues with owning MG parts since it is an non issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post

    Needless to say, the risks are not worth it so it is important to be able to identify the AR-15 vs.. M16 parts; included here are the trigger, disconnector, hammer, selector, bolt carrier, and auto sear. While it is unlikely that you will ever find the auto sear in a non NFA weapon, any combination of the others is possible.
    The auto bolt carrier subject has been beaten to death and it seems that they are legal in an AR-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatt View Post
    No kidding Colt can't build a new full auto weapon for civilian sales. They can however make plenty of auto parts for repair of a legal MG built to whatever spec they want. I'm not getting why you keep coming back to this TDP talk. If you send Colt a registered MG reciever they could build it to TDP specs.

    I'm not going to argue about the legal issues with owning MG parts since it is an non issue.



    The auto bolt carrier subject has been beaten to death and it seems that they are legal in an AR-15.
    My only gripe is everyone throwing the term "mil-spec" around refering to a rifle/manufacturer. No such thing unless you are issued the weapon.

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    Chill Out

    Allright, time to bring this thread back to the point.

    This is supposed to be about helping the new buyer, not about arguing mil-specs, TDPs, possession of NFA items or the like. It is about 16" carbines, out of the box.

    Why 16" carbines? They are the most popular, the most likely choice for a new buyer.

    If you do not have hands-on, high density personal knowledge, you are out of your depth here. In post #1 (if anyone bothered to actually read it) I covered the purpose of this post. If you are not adding anything to it, I ask that you take your conversation to IM.

    My recommendations do not come from what I have read on the internet. They come from real life, full speed personal experiences and the experiences of others that I personally know and can verify their information. I do not regurgitate marketing propaganda from any company, and I do not want anyone else here to either.

    This is not about your personal favorites or dreams. It about hard, cold fact, supported by evidence.
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    I would like to see a "chart" of common failures. That would be enlightening.

    It is my theory that, no matter how "perfect" a gun you buy, it's going to fail. I'm not interested in failures to feed from bad mags or the like. What parts break? Bolts? Pins? Springs? How often? At what round count? Etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatt View Post
    No kidding Colt can't build a new full auto weapon for civilian sales. They can however make plenty of auto parts for repair of a legal MG built to whatever spec they want. I'm not getting why you keep coming back to this TDP talk. If you send Colt a registered MG reciever they could build it to TDP specs.

    I'm not going to argue about the legal issues with owning MG parts since it is an non issue.



    The auto bolt carrier subject has been beaten to death and it seems that they are legal in an AR-15.

    A rifle doesn't conform to the TDP fully unless it is US Property marked.

    Just because it is full auto doesn't mean it is mil spec. The full auto weapons on Colts website are not "mil spec" as they are commerial/export versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotomanM4 View Post
    What parts break? Bolts? Pins? Springs? How often? At what round count? Etc.
    This very question is why SOCOM wants to have a shot-counter built into the guns. The other proble is that failures occur in relation to firing schedule. The fifty rounds a month guy is going to experience far fewer bolt breakages than someone that burns through a thousand rounds per day during training. These weapons are going through massive temperature changes that tends to destroy lesser quality parts. Hell, it destroys good parts.

    Anyway, as for the round count rotation, someone already did it.
    Here you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotomanM4 View Post
    It is my theory that, no matter how "perfect" a gun you buy, it's going to fail. I'm not interested in failures to feed from bad mags or the like.
    Not to bust your balls, but that isn't really a theory. It's like saying (insert big booming triumphant voice here) "IN MY THEORY, WHAT GOES UP...MUST COME DOWN!!". Everything breaks eventually, that's pretty much fact. You are still allowed to say that here.

    The acknowledgement that things occasionally go wrong is why we all practice corrective actions (you all are practicing, aren't you ). Remember the combat triad: mindset, marksmanship, and manipulations. They all work together, and missing even one of those elements, you are simply a victim. Guns seem to stop working when you need them the most, which is a silly thing to say, because if it was shooting well, there wouldn't be much of a problem. That is also why we all have spare parts (you all do have spare parts, right?). At least have an extra bolt either in your rifle somewhere or in your gear. I used to joke to my guys to put it in their BOK, because if their gun went down that bad they would be shot to shit anyway. I just realised that I am not a very funny guy.

    Bad mags? The magazine is the weakest part of any firearm. Once again, not jumping your shit, but it's like asking how accurate a weapon is but not caring about the trigger pull. You might get source tech data, but it isn't going to actually help you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    At least have an extra bolt either in your rifle somewhere or in your gear.
    Anyone have stats on broken bolts during actual combat engagements over the past 6 years?
    I tried searching through CALL but didn't find anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    The issue is not posession, but whether or not Colt can LEGALLY build TDP correct civilian sale rifles. They cannot. Lifted shamelessly from ARF.com:
    Please do not cite that site as a reference as most of what is posted is wrong.

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