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Thread: Why YOU should buy a Colt (or LMT, or Noveske, or. . .)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    I think it odd they don't sell complete. My reference of that fact was that yes, you could have an LMT frankengun quite easily.

    No, I don't think 1 screw and 2 pins mean anything. upper/lower from the same company shouldnt be an issue.
    LMT doesn't really qualify as a "Frankengun". That designation is usually reserved for a mix-match of parts, assembled by some random person that is not qualified to do so. Putting a BCM bolt and carrier into a Bushmaster does not make it a Frankengun either. Combining and upper receiver with a lower receiver, both made by the same manufacturer is definately far from the definition of "Frankengun", which I doubt has ever been formalised.

    What do you mean by "1 screw and two pins..."? I must be misunderstanding your meaning.

    ETA- Nevermind, I just reread your post. I assume that you have not mastered disassembly yet. No problem. All it takes is literally to pull and push two pins to install the upper receiver.

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    LMT doesn't really qualify as a "Frankengun". That designation is usually reserved for a mix-match of parts, assembled by some random person that is not qualified to do so.
    LMT sells complete lowers. Plenty of opportunity for someone to screw-up the upper by using inferior parts or lack of knowledge. Of course, someone paying the extra $$$ for an LMT is probably not in one of those categories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    LMT sells complete lowers. Plenty of opportunity for someone to screw-up the upper by using inferior parts or lack of knowledge. Of course, someone paying the extra $$$ for an LMT is probably not in one of those categories.
    I am not referring to placing a random upper receiver on an LMT lower. Sure, somebody could fill their Noveske up with JB Weld too, so what? Never underestimate the power of the stupid, especially when in large groups.

    The statements about LMT complete carbines refers to an individual that purchases both an LMT upper receiver AND LMT lower receiver and places the LMT upper receiver onto the LMT lower receiver and pushes the take-down pins into their fully flush positions.

    -or-

    Buys a complete LMT that are now being sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    Never said I was "Captain Armalite".

    If you read my original post in this thread you will see why I take the position I do.

    I am planning on getting one of the new HBAR Armalites with the vanadium barrel, ect. Hence I have poured much time in researching this weapon. I said all of this as well as the fact that there are other AR's which deserve mention in the thread besides LMT, Colt, ect. CMMG for one like another poster mentioned. I simply do not know as much about them so I am not going to talk as much about them.

    Is Armalite the best? No, I think a Noveske upper on an LMT lower would be a good idea. Am I going to do that? No.

    Why? Because I do not see/feel the need to do that, I will keep an in-tact warrenty (Armalite's customer service is 50% of why I am going with them.) and not deal with mixing/matching.

    Is there a problem with mix/match? No, not as long as it is done right.

    I also like Armalite's bolt design. Helps eliminate busted bolts.

    I do however, have an open mind on the topic.

    A2 20" service style rifle.

    ^That is what I am after, find me a better one of comparable price to the Armalite with =/better customer support and I will sing a different tune.

    Armalite is changing/improving the M4's as well though, hence my position in this thread.

    Still waiting on a better pic of the carrier.

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    Shihan, are you actually a Shihan?
    Yes im a Shihan www.reihokan.com
    I have sold several Armalites that were ordered by a customer specifically and non had a correctly staked bcg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    The Colt's I have shot growing up were all stellar performers, then again, they only saw range time and were pampered.

    No complaints though, and the CAR15 w/3.5-12 Leupy tactical has to be one of my favorite rifles of all time. That thing is just plain fun!

    Here are the feed-ramps on an M15A2 Armalite, as well as a VERY blurry pic of the carrier key, I will have a better pic later as the guy took a pic and is going to send the pix tomorrow after he finds the adapter (took them on internal memory).

    http://i20.tinypic.com/2hxc4m8.jpg Feed ramps
    http://i22.tinypic.com/op1zf9.jpg Carrier Key (even though it's blurry I can still see strong stake marks in the right places)
    FYI just because the stake marks are there dosent mean it is correctly staked. It needs to have metal pushed into the screws to keep it from turning to matter. Take a look at the staking thread and you will see what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    The only issue with that is BM and numerous other brands sell stripped lowers, and you cannot be 100% sure the gun that is not fairing so well is not a FrankenGun. Most Colt guns are factory, since they do not sell stripped receivers.
    All you have to do is call the manufactuer with the serial number and they can tell you if it was sold stripped or complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    I hate to keep throwing their name in there, but neither does Armalite, and IIRC, LMT does not make a complete weapon, at least according to their website.
    LMT has recently started selling complete weapons to civies. They have sold complete weapons otherwise for along time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    I think it odd they don't sell complete. My reference of that fact was that yes, you could have an LMT frankengun quite easily.

    I am new to the AR world somewhat in that I have not messed with them a lot and am always willing to learn.

    No, I don't think 1 screw and 2 pins mean anything. upper/lower from the same company shouldnt be an issue.

    PS. I did not know you could get a 6520 for less than $1500 (impactguns.com has them for 1600+ and they are usually pretty low there). I will check that out!
    A Fankengun is something put together from parts of different makers and YES LMT sells complete weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I am not referring to placing a random upper receiver on an LMT lower. Sure, somebody could fill their Noveske up with JB Weld too, so what? .
    So claiming one gun is better or worse than another based on what one sees at the range or in training is not a good indicator, since it could be a Frankengun, not a factory gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shihan View Post
    All you have to do is call the manufactuer with the serial number and they can tell you if it was sold stripped or complete.
    I do not think the folks running training sites and seeing Bushmaster fail more than Colt are checking SNs and calling Bushmaster to determine if it was a factory gun or a Frankengun before forming an opinion Bushmaster fails more than Colt.

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