a new possible M&P9 or 3rd Gen G19

[Long Tom Coffin]

Okay, so as everyone might remember, I asked about using a Colt 1911 as a ccw piece. The Janitor promptly piped up that I should take my springer GI and have Berry hill do a custom job on it. I have elected to take that advice, and since I was able get alot more money than I have originally planned, I have also decided to get another 9 mike mike. I currently have a Gen 4 G19 that I like, but I was planning on getting another 9 as well. My current choices are an M&P and a Gen 3 G19. Now, I originally got the Gen 4 G19 because I was not a big fan of the ergos of the Gen 3's. That is the only strike in the Gen 3's corner.

I was looking at the M&P9 because of increased capacity and better ergonomics. I have handled but not shot one yet. This weekend I plan on renting both, putting a few hundred rounds through them, and make my decision then.

However, before I possibly pick up an M&P9, I wanted to get some advice on it. I have read the M&P problem thread as well as the M&P fleas thread several times over, and it is my understanding that the primary issues of the M&P9's, like mag drops, weak strikers, and poor accuracy at distances greater than 20 yards have all been corrected with the most recent crops of the pistol, correct? If do get the M&P, my primary plan is to get some Triji HD night sights as well as an Apex Duty kit and a Cane & Derby gator skinned back strap. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[Kevin P]

I will mention that doing a search on the forums and elsewere will yeild a wealth of information for you to make a informed decision. But instead of just the classic " do a search response" (which annoys me as well as other people) and provides no value to you and the forums, I will try to give you something that might help. My look on it is if you got time to post a response you can at least help or point someone in the right direction.



I have a question to ask that may be able to help you out. Why do you want to go 3rd gen if you don't like the grip? I would side on the advice that many experienced individuals give and that is to go with two identical pistols. There are many good benefits for having two identical pistols if you plan on using them for defensive purposes. Two gen 3 19( my current situation) or two m&p's or two gen 4 g19 would be ideal. Either will serve you well. I will say that although there may be a few issues that people are having with the newer Gocks and M&p's, don't let yourself get caught into the sky is falling mentality. The vast majority of pistols by both manufactures are running great. Just something to think about.

[Long Tom Coffin]

I will mention that doing a search on the forums and elsewere will yeild a wealth of information for you to make a informed decision. But instead of just the classic " do a search response" (which annoys me as well as other people) and provides no value to you and the forums, I will try to give you something that might help. My look on it is if you got time to post a response you can at least help or point someone in the right direction.



I have a question to ask that may be able to help you out. Why do you want to go 3rd gen if you don't like the grip? I would side on the advice that many experienced individuals give and that is to go with two identical pistols. There are many good benefits for having two identical pistols if you plan on using them for defensive purposes. Two gen 3 19( my current situation) or two m&p's or two gen 4 g19 would be ideal. Either will serve you well. I will say that although there may be a few issues that people are having with the newer Gocks and M&p's, don't let yourself get caught into the sky is falling mentality. The vast majority of pistols by both manufactures are running great. Just something to think about.

Whether or not I like the grip hasn't always been a complete deal breaker. As a matter of fact, there were other pistols with grips that I liked better when I got my Gen 4, but I didn't purchase those because of other issues (such as the XD. I wouldn't touch one of those with ten foot sharpened stick). I feel the Gen 3 grip is inferior to the M&P/Gen 4, but that can always be corrected later (reduction/stippling, etc). The Gen 4 has served well, barring the occasional erratic ejection/brass to the face.


But the real situation I am facing is that I am experimenting right now. I only recently got into guns/2A/CCW, so I am still looking for the right platform for myself. When I have found that platform, I will stick with it and I will more likely that not have more than one pistol in that platform. Whether that will be glock, or S&W, or something else, I don't know yet. The Gen 4 works pretty good, but does it work good enough in comparison to others? Is there something else out there that would provide a significant benefit to myself? I'm looking at getting quality training in the near future, and I want to have the platform I will be using decided on definitively by that point. Right now, I have the time, money, and inclination to experiment, so that's what I will be doing.

[C4IGrant]

I think an older GEN 3 G19 is a great idea and so is a new M&P.



C4

[mlk18]

I have 3 M&P's all made in 2010, all 3 have been 100%. I highly recommend them.

[Alpha Sierra]

Do not let the Glock Gen 4 hysteria dissuade you. There's too many of us with excellent Gen 4s. The thing is, most who get stellar reliability from them aren't as vocal as the minority that doesn't.

Look at how long the M&P problem thread is and ask yourself if they are any better than a Gen 4 Glock.

Come to think of it, hasn't Glock had problems with each generation at one point or another and overcame them each and every time?

[Alpha Sierra]

You know, this can be over-analyzed to death.

I bought an M&P, never could get quite comfortable with its ergos, sold them both, and got a Glock.

Problem solved w/o too much effort.

Point is, make you your mind and go. If you later need to change, sell off and move on.

[C4IGrant]

Do not let the Glock Gen 4 hysteria dissuade you. There's too many of us with excellent Gen 4s. The thing is, most who get stellar reliability from them aren't as vocal as the minority that doesn't.

LOL, there are WAY to many DOCUMENTED LE Agencies and PROFESSIONAL instructors saying the exact opposite (on top of Glock threatening to sue everybody and their brother over them telling the truth) to ignore the GEN 4 problems (and now GEN 3 problems).

Look at how long the M&P problem thread is and ask yourself if they are any better than a Gen 4 Glock.

Yes, way better. For many reasons (can list them if you really want to know). For no other reason though, S&W won't attempt to sue you by telling the truth.

Come to think of it, hasn't Glock had problems with each generation at one point or another and overcame them each and every time?

Yes they have. At this point though, they are in FULL denial mode so I would wait awhile why they pull their head out of the ass.


C4

[Long Tom Coffin]

Yes, way better. For many reasons (can list them if you really want to know).

Actually in part desire to fuel the fire, and part desire to get your opinion, yes please, do tell


I'm no stranger to the Gen 4 problems. My g19 Gen 4 has been a 100% through 4500 rounds minus the aforementioned problems above. There was a 300 round range session I had in which I deliberately tried to induce a stoppage using el cheapo 115 gr rounds. I tried every limp wrist and hold combination I could think of to get a jam, but nothing worked. I even tried a two finger hold while firing with my pinky. That actually hurt like hell but didn't jam the gun.

On the other hand, there are several other people on the range that get a jam at least every 2 or 3 boxes, which I think is thoroughly unacceptable. I guess I just escaped the Gen4 hex and got a decent one.

[Alpha Sierra]

LOL, there are WAY to many DOCUMENTED LE Agencies and PROFESSIONAL instructors saying the exact opposite (on top of Glock threatening to sue everybody and their brother over them telling the truth) to ignore the GEN 4 problems (and now GEN 3 problems).

So you are saying that the people that have working Gen 4s are the minority?

I know this is going to ruffle feathers, but I'm in such a mood today....Whatever LE agencies and professionals say doesn't mean a hill of beans when your gun runs and runs and runs.

Yes, way better. For many reasons (can list them if you really want to know). For no other reason though, S&W won't attempt to sue you by telling the truth.

No need. I've had both. The M&P is a nice pistol, no better, no worse. Just didn't fit my hand no matter what I tried. So down the road they went.