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    Thanks for that info. You are correct about the stakings. I saw a BM just a few months back at a local store that still did not have staked castle nut. I wasn't able to look at the BCG.

    In any case the staking are the least of the shortcomings.

    Quote Originally Posted by 120mm View Post
    Just FYI - the "simulated" guns in the EST2000 are Bushmasters.

    So there. Bushmaster can make a fine "simulated" rifle.

    As far as Bushmaters fixing the staking "years ago", as late as 2009, I've seen contractor Bushmasters coming with unstaked keys from the factory.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    I have examined dozens of Bushmasters and every one had a properly staked gas key. You think Bushmaster never staked a gas key? The Bushmaster haters might have you believe this but Bushmaster corrected that problem some time ago.
    Uh... no. I was in Clyde Armory a couple days ago and looked specifically at the staking on several Bushmasters in the store. The Gas Key staking looked like it had been done with a small screwdriver, and the Castle Nuts weren't staked at all.

    What worries me ... if they're cutting corners on things that can so easily be corrected (such as staking), what else are they cutting corners on that a buyer can't see and easily repair?

    It's just not worth it. You can't make something good out of a piece of cheese. Buy a good rifle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsk View Post
    Considering the fact that a new Colt 6920 costs within $100 of what a similar Bushy goes for they'd better be making a LOT more changes/upgrades than that.
    just kinda confused on this cause the cheapest i could fine a LE6920 was $1199 while the similar bushy was $899. Maybe my math is wrong but to me thats a little more the $100
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIP3R 237 View Post
    just kinda confused on this cause the cheapest i could fine a LE6920 was $1199 while the similar bushy was $899. Maybe my math is wrong but to me thats a little more the $100
    http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?...ghlight=sp6920

    See post # 10 from Grant, I'm not sure if this is still good but it's worth checking with him.

    It's for the SP6920 but I believe it's exactly the same except for the rollmarks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    I have examined dozens of Bushmasters and every one had a properly staked gas key.
    Can you post photos? It's possible that one member's definition of "properly" is different than others, but photos would take care of that.

    Like others posting in the thread, I've had a number of new-production BMs in my hands. Little seems to have changed from Windham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outrider627 View Post
    Yep. Bushmaster 2.0 with a new name. They already got a website up and running. Windham is ready to start pumping out those HBAR carbines that everyone seems to want these days.
    A couple of news clips on the new windham arms....

    Looks like they will not be test firing their guns:
    http://www.pressherald.com/news/New-...ter-plant.html

    "Neighbors of the Windham Weaponry, who went to the town to complain about excessive noise emanating from the test-firing range in the Grondin pit behind Bushmaster, will be happy to hear that the new company has no intention of testing weapons in Windham. Faraday said, "We have no intention to use the test range. We will not be doing that."

    http://www.pressherald.com/news/New-...ter-plant.html


    As for BM my guess is they will just continue to follow the same guide lines that they have always followed. Why change? There are many, many gun consumers that never look at a site like M4C or ARFCOM for info. They will just go with what they see in their favorite gun rag or on what the guy behind the count has to say.


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    I have a bushmaster bought in December of 2010. BCG was not completely staked. One screw had a good, deep stake. The other was barely touched. Also, the castle nut was not staked. I fixed both myself with a center punch. I also upgraded the bolt to a BCM and added an H buffer. The original bolt came with a non-mil spec extractor spring.

    I guess I lucked out with the chamber. I know a lot of them are inconsistent. I have now put down around 4000 rounds of 5.56mm NATO with no issues with extraction/overpressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    I have examined dozens of Bushmasters and every one had a properly staked gas key. You think Bushmaster never staked a gas key? The Bushmaster haters might have you believe this but Bushmaster corrected that problem some time ago.
    I bought a new BM in approx July '06. It's BCG was not properly staked. I called BM to ask about this condition and I was told "it is either staked or not", they offered to stake it if I sent it back. Rather than risk another 'attempt' at staking by BM, I staked it myself. (BTW, the RE nut was not staked at all).

    They also, at that time, said they were using some type of a pneumatic jig set up that staked all four positions at the same time. There was obvious evidence of this attempted staking but it was completely ineffective. This was my experience from 5 years ago, take it FWIW, but I will not give them another chance. Ever.

    A close friend bought another BM from me that is probably 2-4 years older than the one I described here, next time I get the chance I will review it's BCG to check it's staking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaSierra View Post
    First off, I am waiting impatiently for the link to the information on the contract that Scrubmaster had with the US Military...

    Second, I have yet to see what the problem is with Colt stamping their rifles with the "LE and Gov't use only"... Who cares what the lower receiver has stamped on it? A civilian can still buy one, so what is the big deal? As long as they produce a quality weapon, I couldn't care less what the company chooses to stamp on the weapon...
    http://www.cybershooters.org/dgca/bushmaster_m4.htm
    FWIW

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigretic View Post
    Internet stories and heresay, but not definitive proof. The photos are not of US DoD-issued military Bushmasters, but of a rifle "similar to a GI Bushmaster". Except the barrel is 1/9, making it not mil-spec and therefore not a GI issue item.

    Fail.

    With a little time, anybody can find an internet article to back up any claim they please. A comfy chair, high-speed internet, and Google do not an expert make.

    Cold hard facts, please, not Googled internet rumors.
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