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    Quote Originally Posted by Just a Jarhead View Post
    I have personally not heard any ridiculing. You may very well be right Ironman. But I would think if that were the case there would be polite discouragement of the topics rather than ridicule. Ridiculing is usually when a polar opposite position is taken and you think someone is nuts. Who knows, as I've said I haven't encouontered any. But I will say that just because someone is very knowledgeable, even a SME about a certain subject, it does not automatically make them a SME on other subject matter.
    Well I was just using the same descriptive word that mtneer used. I would agree that I haven't really experienced "ridiculing", but I do get the sense that certain people tend to turn their nose up at people who get into guns for "shtf" purposes. Most of the guys who do that have/do use guns for a living, so I think it is more a "professional snobbery" so to speak. I would bet it is a very small percentage who don't believe that something along the "shtf" scenario "COULD" happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtneer13 View Post
    you'll find quite a bit of that "conspiratorial thinking" over here is ridiculed from the upper level post count "cool" guys.
    Conspiratorial thinking gets ridiculed because many of us have spent years living in middle-eastern war zones. My life seems is a constant SHTF scenario because you never know when someone may take a shot at you or blow you up. We see the "other side" of living.
    ETA: Many of us are realists.

    Our government cannot "create" one job without spending 400K, how do you suppose they are going to round everyone into camps and initiate the new world order silliness?
    I don't understand how the govt. can be so inept at everything they do and yet people think there are evil masterminds potting behind the scenes.

    The sad part is, people will realize how inept our government is when S does HTF and they can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a1fabweld View Post
    I've been warning all my friends for years now to stock up on the essentials. They laugh & keep on dumping their cash in hotrods, crawlers, spending every weekend on the lake, etc... Only a few of them have taken me seriously & stocked up. Most can't stand to think about the possibility of living without their luxuries/toys & choose to look the other way. When things go bad, my door will be locked. Good luck to them.

    It reminds me of the squirrel & ant story (or whatever that is) where one partys all summer while the other saves for the winter.
    totally agree with you...my best friend and i went from kindergarten through high school together and i was talking to him today while we were on our way to our local gun/bow shop to get his bow worked on...he works for the state and his wife is a school principal(both state gov't employees)(that's what makes it so funny, he thinks fed gov't employees should all be fired, but state gov't employees do it better, LOL...)he says "the market trends show this up and down through the history of the market"...i asked him when in history were we downgraded??? silence...then we start talking about jobs, contractors and such...i told him that a $100K(example) .gov job with my agency(just using round numbers to ensure ease of understanding) the .gov employee takes care of business(in my experience over the span of 15 yrs in my agency) and truly has a sense of ownership in the job, whatever it may be...then you give a contractor the same $100K job responsibility, the contracted employee makes $55K and the contractor $45K...they(the contracted employee) could **** up a soup sandwich and job ends up in our hands to either do or complete...strictly due to "private sector" employee's incompetence...most dumbass contractors that i have dealt with over 15yrs, should be working at wal-mart in the electronics section...the reason they can't get a .gov job??? drug abuse, incompetence, misappropriation of funds, and the list goes on...then they bitch about not being able to get on with my agency because they don't have the experience or intelligence to get in...rant over with contractors, i know that there are pieces of crap everywhere, private and public sector...but don't criticize .gov, there are just as many if not more garbage employees on the private side...

    i can just tell everyone you better prepare and if you don't want to, don't knock on my door for food, etc...my home store is all out of whatever your looking for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropist View Post
    Anyway, as long as you can get control of your federal budgets
    I don't know anyone that is holding their breath on that happening in the U.S. any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just a Jarhead View Post
    I had to double-check and make sure I wasn't reading about China or Iran in that article...

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    Not that it's not an issue or anything...but back in the early 90s we had our credit rating cut down to AA up here in Canada.

    Obviously it wasn't ideal, but we've been back at AAA for a few years now having put more effort into balancing our federal budgets since about 1995 or so.

    So at the least, I can say from experience that living in a country without a triple A credit score is not automatically a major concern. I'm sure if you get people in who can take control of the US deficits, you'll find your credit restored.

    Not to take away from the "man the battle stations" feel of the thread or anything...just saying, I have been through it in my country and it didn't end up being that big of a deal. It was just an impetus to get our finances on track, and, thankfully, that was done, and only a few years later, we now have one of the strongest economies in the world. And, in fact, have been pretty unscathed by the worldwide credit problems of the last three years.

    So it can be done, as long as there is the political will. The problem in the US at the moment is that no one party has enough power to act decisively. Nobody has the political stomach for anything, because the margins of victory and defeat are razor thin.

    Anyway, as long as you can get control of your federal budgets, it's a problematic, but not necessarily disastrous, situation, as evidenced by my own country's slide into credit trouble, and subsequent climb back out.
    Full disclosure: I'm the editor of Calibre Magazine, which is Canada's gun magazine. In the past I've done consulting work for different manufacturers and OEM suppliers, but not currently. M4C's disclosure policy doesn't seem to cover me but we do have advertisers, although I don't handle that side of things and in general I do not know who is paying us at any given time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave L. View Post
    I don't understand how the govt. can be so inept at everything they do and yet people think there are evil masterminds potting behind the scenes.

    The sad part is, people will realize how inept our government is when S does HTF and they can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
    Dave, it's not so much we think the Gov. is plotting behind the scenes as much as , we, like they, think an economic crisis in the United States could lead to massive civil unrest. That's all. BUT....Who among us doubts POTUS would love to be dictator? He has even recently said his life would be easier if he was one. "Never let a crisis go to waste"...remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just a Jarhead View Post
    Dave, it's not so much we think the Gov. is plotting behind the scenes as much as , we, like they, think an economic crisis in the United States could lead to massive civil unrest. That's all. BUT....Who among us doubts POTUS would love to be dictator? He has even recently said his life would be easier if he was one. "Never let a crisis go to waste"...remember?
    he's got money and people behind him ready to change the country...soros, francis fox-piven, van jones and the list goes on...it's not just him, it's a whole network of people that are organizing to change this country to a marxist/socialist country whether we like it or not...they(meaning right and leftists)have think-tanks that think this shit up and what the responses will be...why do people insist that this isn't gonna happen??? i hope that i am wrong and you can laugh it off later!!! but do i think that is gonna happen??? NO...our freedom, liberty and the great life that we have in this country that we have served in the armed services is under fire...and still people want to bury their heads in the internet, books, tv, hobbies and vacations they can't afford just to play charades...nothing to see here people, nothing to see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just a Jarhead View Post
    BUT....Who among us doubts POTUS would love to be dictator? He has even recently said his life would be easier if he was one. "Never let a crisis go to waste"...remember?
    Who wouldn't love to be dictator? Seriously? Who doesn't want to kill someone from time to time? Does that mean he'll seek it out? If you hate Obama so much why don't you do something about it?

    You're assuming that people lack self restraint and don't care about the good of others. That's what makes us different than animals. Just because we'd like to have sex with a beautiful person we just met doesn't mean we'll rape them on the spot.
    "I never learned from a man who agreed with me." Robert A. Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropist View Post
    Not that it's not an issue or anything...but back in the early 90s we had our credit rating cut down to AA up here in Canada.

    Obviously it wasn't ideal, but we've been back at AAA for a few years now having put more effort into balancing our federal budgets since about 1995 or so.

    So at the least, I can say from experience that living in a country without a triple A credit score is not automatically a major concern. I'm sure if you get people in who can take control of the US deficits, you'll find your credit restored.

    Not to take away from the "man the battle stations" feel of the thread or anything...just saying, I have been through it in my country and it didn't end up being that big of a deal. It was just an impetus to get our finances on track, and, thankfully, that was done, and only a few years later, we now have one of the strongest economies in the world. And, in fact, have been pretty unscathed by the worldwide credit problems of the last three years.

    So it can be done, as long as there is the political will. The problem in the US at the moment is that no one party has enough power to act decisively. Nobody has the political stomach for anything, because the margins of victory and defeat are razor thin.

    Anyway, as long as you can get control of your federal budgets, it's a problematic, but not necessarily disastrous, situation, as evidenced by my own country's slide into credit trouble, and subsequent climb back out.


    Most people that aren't too far off the deep end know this is fixable. It's not an over night fix, but it's doable at this point. The part that is scaring people & making people start preparing for SHTF scenario's, is that despite all of this happening there are still WAY too many people in Washington wanting to spend & borrow massive amounts more. If Washington was appearing to want to make serious cuts, even if they are hard cuts, a lot of the tension would be relieved. However, as it stands, it appears they are intent in burying us in debt & ruining our current system.....

    So in short, it's brought on by Washington being broke (on both sides, imo)

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