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    If nothing else, it makes all the weight in front of your hand harder to get moving because there is more out there than if the fulcrum your hand represents were further forward. Then once moving the mass will be harder to stop for the same reason.

    Muzzle flip will likely be more prominant and slower to recover regardless of how good the brake/compensator, transitioning or sweeping between multiple targets will be a bit slower.
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    Perhaps someone with more experience than I could chime in, but I believe it's an issue of muzzle stability and multiple target acquisition.

    oops, GTifosi beat me to it.
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    Carbine shouldering technique

    Okay a few questions on proper hold af the carbine. First off not that I do but why is holding the mag well considered wrong? I find my normal comfort zone is to basically use the mag well as my hand stop, meaning I grasp the hand guard then slide back till my palm hits the lower. I don't grip the mag well. Both elbows tucked in pointing down. I know there's a lot of ways but whats the main concensus of mag well gripping?
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    I think that is why it's called a shooting style. There are so many different shooting styles being taught out there i think it just comes down to what fits you the best. I used to be a magwell gripper cause as a lefty i can hit the mag release with my thumb. But after adding an ambi release and playing with an extended rail i'm having fun with the magpul dynamics style. Each style has pro's and con's and its all personal preference imo.
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    I'm unaware of any accomplished shooter, instructor, action competition guy, etc. that uses or advocates such a technique on carbines today.

    I believe that speaks volumes, and the reasons why become pretty obvious once you look at the basic physics involved.

    The more barrel/handguard you have hanging out in FRONT of your support hand, the less mechanical advantage you have over the rifle when transitioning and in the mitigation of recoil. The only reason I can think of having your grip more towards the magazine-well is if you, for some reason, plan on having the rifle pointed at a target for a LONG time as it can help with fatigue, or if follow-up and transitions aren't going to be important.

    You'll see some some target and bullseye shooters using a more inboard grip, but they have a much different requirement (typically) than someone using carbine in an offensive/defensive capacity. Also, some of the various crouching stances use similar approaches, but I'm speaking mainly with respect to standing while engaging targets at reasonable ranges.

    This explains it somewhat:

    http://youtu.be/cZi_kDkOjIQ
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    Gripping the (or near the) magwell with your support hand. I had no trouble following it, but you have to be able to decipher which order they were actually posted in, since everything went wonky with the forum clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTifosi View Post
    If nothing else, it makes all the weight in front of your hand harder to get moving because there is more out there than if the fulcrum your hand represents were further forward. Then once moving the mass will be harder to stop for the same reason.
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say. You have an unclear antecendent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDooley View Post
    Gripping the (or near the) magwell with your support hand. I had no trouble following it, but you have to be able to decipher which order they were actually posted in, since everything went wonky with the forum clock.
    Ah. Makes sense now thanks.

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    I agree with what every1 else has said but I would like to add that in addition to the magwell grip offering an advantage to fatigue, in my experience its much easier to make slower more accurate shots. So, i believe the magwell grip also adds stability due to the fact the shooters arm isnt so stretched out which i guess in some way is related to fatigue anyway.

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    Magwell hold results in a lot of otherwise-uncontrolled barrel floating around waaaaay out in front of you. It can be enough mass to move regardless of how tight you clench on the gun, and clenching may induce enough muscle shake to make it unstable, anyway. Add a can, that's MORE mass you can't fully control in ways that have little to do with outright strength. Add movement to that, things get frickin complicated.

    It's possible to get enough of your fingers wrapped around the magwell to hang over the ejection port and possibly cause malfunctions that wouldn't otherwise happen. And, I saw one cat with fingers that were Lewis-Black-freaky-long get his social finger whacked pretty good when it dipped into the ejection port and in between the bolt face and the chamber when he fired.

    In one case, in combat, I saw a kid doing a magwell hold clench the gun so hard that he popped the welds on the magazine.

    No matter how "good" or "right" it may feel to the shooter, there's lots of valid reasons as to why it's not the best idea in the world.
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