How is the HK LEM trigger compared to a SIG DAK trigger?

[Kalash]

I'm wanting a to add a new 45 to my toolbox and the HK45 LEM has piqued my curiosity. I owned a Custom Shop SIG P239 SAS with the DAK trigger before and could never warm up to it. The 7# trigger pull was too heavy and the reset was too long for me also. Is the HK LEM trigger compareable to the SIG DAK or a different animal altogether? Unfortunately, there aren't any locally for me to try. For those who have shot both, could you share your opinions please.

[F-Trooper05]

Read this... http://pistol-training.com/articles/hk-lem-vs-sig-dak

[El Vaquero]

That's a very good article. Sums it all up very nicely. Here's my two cents:

I've shot both fairly extensively. I have a full size USP .40 that came from the factory in LEM. It has a fairly heavy trigger pull, comparable to the DAK but with a much shorter reset. I just recently purchased a LEM kit for my USP compact .40 and ended up using a different trigger spring which was much lighter and much more enjoyable to shoot. You can get more info at HKPRO.net, tons of threads on the LEM.

Biggest difference is the shorter reset on the H&K LEM. I'm not a big fan of the DAK.

[kmrtnsn]

I currently have a P229DAK .40 as an issue piece. I also carry a P2000SK (LEM) .40 as an alternate. Previous to the SIG I carried a HK USPc LEM, also in .40. I have over 12,000 rounds through the SIG(s), plural as the first one was replaced. My P2000SK has over 10,000 rounds through it; no issues, no failures.

I would not recommend the DAK trigger to anyone. The double reset is silly and difficult to train novice shooters to shoot well, and to shoot fast. The LEM is a far superior trigger system. Buy the HK. The DAK is what SIG users are left with since SIG cannot develop a striker-fired or pre-cocked firing system without infringing on their competitors patents. I only carry my SIG when I am on the range, the rest of the time I am either carrying the HK or a 340PD.

[varoadking]

Biggest difference is the shorter reset on the H&K LEM.

Tru dat...

[trinydex]

Dak sux. Longgest trigger ive ever had to pull without something flushing. Dont let the stupid deceptive weight of 6.5 lbs fool you, thats a lie, and the pull is so long that when you get to where the break is its pretty heavy.

[kmrtnsn]

Dak sux. Longgest trigger ive ever had to pull without something flushing. Dont let the stupid deceptive weight of 6.5 lbs fool you, thats a lie, and the pull is so long that when you get to where the break is its pretty heavy.

All that, provided you remember to consistently let your trigger finger out to the SECOND reset.

[Kalash]

Picked up my new HK45c LEM yesterday and ran a quick box of ammo through it to get a feel for the trigger. I love the LEM trigger! Looking forward to wringing it out this weekend.
This is the medium weight version. Could the light version be any better?

[Bulldog7972]

I currently have a P229DAK .40 as an issue piece. I also carry a P2000SK (LEM) .40 as an alternate. Previous to the SIG I carried a HK USPc LEM, also in .40. I have over 12,000 rounds through the SIG(s), plural as the first one was replaced. My P2000SK has over 10,000 rounds through it; no issues, no failures.

I would not recommend the DAK trigger to anyone. The double reset is silly and difficult to train novice shooters to shoot well, and to shoot fast. The LEM is a far superior trigger system. Buy the HK. The DAK is what SIG users are left with since SIG cannot develop a striker-fired or pre-cocked firing system without infringing on their competitors patents. I only carry my SIG when I am on the range, the rest of the time I am either carrying the HK or a 340PD.

I really don't know why it would be harder to train a novice on the DAK as opposed to other systems. I find it real simple. After you fire you let the trigger return to the first "click". That's it. The reset IMHO isn't that bad or very long. I'm sure I'm not as competent a shooter as most here but the DAK system has worked well for me for the last 15 years or so.

[kmrtnsn]

I really don't know why it would be harder to train a novice on the DAK as opposed to other systems. I find it real simple. After you fire you let the trigger return to the first "click". That's it. The reset IMHO isn't that bad or very long. I'm sure I'm not as competent a shooter as most here but the DAK system has worked well for me for the last 15 years or so.

The DAK trigger system has not been out for 15 years and most shooters tend to prefer the lighter (6.5lbs versus 8.5 lbs for the first) of the two trigger pulls because it tends to be easier to shoot. When the lighter/easier trigger pull is the second or furthest out trigger pull it becomes a difficult trigger to shoot fast if the shooter is trying to use that ligher, more advantageous pull. The shooter tends to do two things, over extending the trigger finger beyond the second reset (letting go) and then jerking the trigger on the take-up. DAK is German for Shit and SIG is the firearms version of your father's Oldsmobile. You can have them both.