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    Quote Originally Posted by TX_Odyssey View Post
    Titlest, the LaRue website states that the PredatAR barrel has a life span of 10k rounds. As you approach that round count, does that worry you?
    No. I've yet to see the groups opening up even as I tick close to 9000 rounds.

    When it does open up I'll probably wait till it becomes a 3moa gun then have it re-barreled. MOST people won't approach that round count, so I believe LaRue's pricing to re-barrel isn't that bad at all.
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    I was unaware that LaRue offered a re-barreling service! Good to know! Looks like I'm gonna go ahead and place an order tomorrow morning! Thank you!

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    Since they're barrels set up for the PredatAR I do not believe that LT would basically tell you to go fish. Most people don't shoot their barrels out, and I'm willing to bet that LT would take care of you considering how much money it costs to actually burn out a barrel to the point of uselessness.
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    Good Point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
    That's about as vague as the original question. I'm not going to do a full review due to time, or lack of it, but simply put:

    It's a fantastically light rifle, both in weight and in recoil. It's just a skosh over 6lbs in its stock configuration. In that config you get a fantastically accurate light weight barrel, SSA trigger, a super long (and light/thin) slick rail that's about the best forearm I've ever used.

    Throw a Larue handstop on the rail and you can damn near get your fingers to wrap around the whole circumference of the forearm. For how I grip the rifle that's the shit!

    It's also the best bang for the buck in terms of premium rifles I've seen. And out of the 4 ARs I own, it's THE BEST one of the bunch. Even kitted out with a T1, Surefire K brake, SF Mini-scout, and DBAL my gun still stays around the 7.3lb mark.

    The gun shoots great, nice and smooth with the mid-length gas system. For 1500 dollars it's hard NOT to like the rifle. It doesn't have any real proprietary parts...*cough* like a specific bolt or gas tube. So it's easy to service IF you manage to break anything from use.

    My only complaint would be to potentially ditch the billet lower for a forged one to save further on weight. However since Larue uses only two lowers (7.62 or 5.56) making another set would make inventory hard to manage with different demands.

    Simply put, between this and the BCM complete guns I'd say the Pred is the gun to beat. I've got about...6000 rounds on mine since April alone and I couldn't be happier.

    If you have SPECIFIC questions I can best answer those.
    I will preface this by stating I own a PredatAR 5.56 16" (from the first week of sales) and I really like it.

    That being said, I really hate to see this bullshit viral marketing used toward whatever your flavor of the month is. You have been subtly misleading people since this rifle came out and one only needs to search your fanboy-infused posts on the subject to observe it. The worst part is that you did the same thing when you were pro-KAC; everything else on the market was secondary. The irony? It took you less than six months to flip the switch and completely move from KAC to LaRue. You are free to do what you want on your own. But it's pretty scary when you post it all as gospel on a technical, professional-heavy forum like this.

    Secondly, I'm not sure where you are getting your weight numbers from but they are totally off-base.

    The PredatAR 5.56 16", brand new out of the box in stock form, weighs exactly 6 lbs. 11.6 oz. That's just a few ounces from seven pounds. How that is "a skosh over 6lbs in its stock configuration" is beyond me.

    Let's not forget this is exactly as LaRue ships it: MOE furniture, A2 hider, with grip panels mounted and WITHOUT iron sights, ambi-safety or front/rear sling mounts.

    Let's not deceive anyone here; you can't use the rifle out of the box unless you enjoy using the top rail as your sight. By the time you get the PredatAR usable—some type of sights, an ambi-safety, front and rear sling mounts—the rifle is going to weigh seven pounds. Add an optic and light and you are quickly approaching 7.5 - 8 pounds. This is not including little items like extended charging handles, heavier furniture with QD, aftermarket muzzle devices, lasers, etc.

    Look, the PredatAR 5.56 is certainly not heavy at all but it is certainly not the lightest 16" carbine frame on the market by any stretch and no one should deceive them as such. You are purposely making people think this is somehow lighter than your KAC rifles when in fact it is not. (In fact, the KAC SR-15E3 weighs exactly the same out of the box: 6 lbs. 11.6 oz. To its advantage, that number includes BUIS, ambi-safety, front and rear sling mounts and all three full length KAC panels. Why not mention this to people? It's a fact that you've subtly left out.)

    Thirdly, your value completely subjective value assessment is a bit odd in its wording.

    You—and many others—make it seem like $1,500 gets you this rifle in "take-it-out-and-run-it" working order. Yes, the bare rifle is $1,495. But the rifle ships without sights, and several other features people are going to want in this price range. To get it to a usable state—again, quality irons, front and rear sling mounts and an ambi-safety at the very least—you'll be over $1,800, not including shipping.

    To be clear: I'm not saying this rifle is overpriced in any way. I'm just saying it's not an "incredible value" compared to everything else in the same category right now when you break it down. Street prices on new SR-15E3s aren't that much higher if you look around. Anyone could call Grant and have him build them a similar rifle for a similar price. (Arguably better, if you started with a proper Colt base model.)

    LaRue PredatAR 5.56 16": $1,495
    LaRue/Troy BUIS: $199
    LaRue PredatAR Front Sling Mount: $40
    Rear Sling Mount (Noveske/Whatever else): $20
    Ambi Safety (BAD-ASS or equivalent): $60
    ==============================
    $1,814 w/o shipping

    Let's not get into specifics like you saying it comes with an "SSA trigger" when in fact it is an S2S trigger that MSRPs for $50 less. I'm not saying the S2S sucks; on the contrary. It's just this is a technical forum and you should not be throwing out shit like this to mislead people.

    Your older comment about the "KAC SR15E3 gas block being worrisome because it is set screwed on" is bullshit and I called you out on that, too. The PredatAR's gas block is also set screwed on and you obviously never pulled the rail to check even though you had it in-hand. Strangely, you never replied.

    Again, I really like the PredatAR and recommend it along with a lot of other LaRue products. But your endorsement of this rifle while being misleading with your interpretation of statistics, parts and methods while slamming KAC has made you appear immature and as a shill for whatever company you happen to like at the moment.

    Because of your flavor of the month mentality, the aggressive style in which you smash products that a few months ago you endorsed, your tendency to exaggerate statistics and figures to meet your end-goals (read: help sell whatever you own right NOW), you are one of those guys that most industry veterans, professionals and interested hobbyists ought never take seriously, let alone believe or trust in any way.

    The ones I really feel bad for are the new guys on the forum who don't know your airsoft history and tendency to do all of the aforementioned; they look up to you and believe what you write because you own high quality products, take tacticool photos and participate in shooting classes.
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    Well obviously someone has an axe to grind. I'm sorry if I've made you upset enough to take personal swipes at me.

    You bring up basic research into my past ownership of guns like the SR-15. Six months before I soured on that gun? I had that gun for well over a year and a half before I started having issues of the scale that soured me, and I'm not happy about the fact that I did sour on it. Trust me, I'm not proud of what happened between myself, that rifle, and Knights. It's a situation I wish didn't happen, for all parties involved. I very vocally, and very stupidly did not like the OBR when I first tried it compared to my SR-25. Through no part other than trigger time, and my hard earned money, did I change my tune on that rifle, as well as the PredatAR. I have never expressed any ulterior motive to the guns and my appreciation for them other then just loving the hell out of what LT has produced. There's no viral marketing implied, the only times I've talked with Mark Larue are to occasionally say, "I haven't broken it yet" and "this thing is still rad!"

    I never did a detailed review of the gun, never tore it down, because from week 1 it got pressed into use in classes. As such it exceeded in one huge criteria for me, that it shoot and that I couldn't break it. I never saw the gas block on the Pred because I never had a chance to purposely take apart a rifle I was using on an almost weekly basis.

    As for the rest of your diatribe, cool story bro. I don't feel I have to justify owning airsoft when I lived in California (despite during that time I owned an M1A, Remington 700, USP, 870, etc etc) but never got into firearms seriously till I moved to Oregon. By all means, discredit me as a graphic designer because I once used crayon's when I was younger. Bitchin' logic.

    I'm not selling anything, I don't run a gear/gun review blog, I've dealt with some products that didn't work for me, and I've been sometimes vocal when they have not (sometimes putting my dick in the ringer as a result). And as for not replying to your claims a few months ago, sorry I don't have the time to sit here and respond to everything said or asked.

    That's awesome, you really like your gun, I too really like my gun. Live and let live, kumbaya, and all that horseshit. Carry on and stuff.
    Last edited by Titleist; 10-17-11 at 00:05.
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    I realize this is veering much off topic, but given that you posted so glowingly and prolifically about the SR15, Titleist, what were the issues you encountered subsequently?

    I realize that you likely don't want to disparage Knight's or their products, but given that your posts certainly contributed to my own and others purchases of SR15s, it doesn't seem unreasonable for us to want to know how why/how the love affair ended. FWIW, I'm still in my honeymoon period with my SR15, so I ask mainly out of self-interested curiosity.
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    zac, please feel free to PM me, it's not something I want to publicly re-hash, the guns just didn't stand up to my needs. I have tried to exercise discretion when possible, sometimes that's apparent, sometimes it doesn't come across that way and I've been too vocal. (There's times where I admit I could have applied more discretion).

    Again if you want details I'm open to a PM.
    Last edited by Titleist; 10-17-11 at 00:32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JChops View Post
    I will preface this by stating I own a PredatAR 5.56 16" (from the first week of sales) and I really like it.

    That being said, I really hate to see this bullshit viral marketing used toward whatever your flavor of the month is. You have been subtly misleading people since this rifle came out and one only needs to search your fanboy-infused posts on the subject to observe it. The worst part is that you did the same thing when you were pro-KAC; everything else on the market was secondary. The irony? It took you less than six months to flip the switch and completely move from KAC to LaRue. You are free to do what you want on your own. But it's pretty scary when you post it all as gospel on a technical, professional-heavy forum like this.

    Secondly, I'm not sure where you are getting your weight numbers from but they are totally off-base.

    The PredatAR 5.56 16", brand new out of the box in stock form, weighs exactly 6 lbs. 11.6 oz. That's just a few ounces from seven pounds. How that is "a skosh over 6lbs in its stock configuration" is beyond me.

    Let's not forget this is exactly as LaRue ships it: MOE furniture, A2 hider, with grip panels mounted and WITHOUT iron sights, ambi-safety or front/rear sling mounts.

    Let's not deceive anyone here; you can't use the rifle out of the box unless you enjoy using the top rail as your sight. By the time you get the PredatAR usable—some type of sights, an ambi-safety, front and rear sling mounts—the rifle is going to weigh seven pounds. Add an optic and light and you are quickly approaching 7.5 - 8 pounds. This is not including little items like extended charging handles, heavier furniture with QD, aftermarket muzzle devices, lasers, etc.

    Look, the PredatAR 5.56 is certainly not heavy at all but it is certainly not the lightest 16" carbine frame on the market by any stretch and no one should deceive them as such. You are purposely making people think this is somehow lighter than your KAC rifles when in fact it is not. (In fact, the KAC SR-15E3 weighs exactly the same out of the box: 6 lbs. 11.6 oz. To its advantage, that number includes BUIS, ambi-safety, front and rear sling mounts and all three full length KAC panels. Why not mention this to people? It's a fact that you've subtly left out.)

    Thirdly, your value completely subjective value assessment is a bit odd in its wording.

    You—and many others—make it seem like $1,500 gets you this rifle in "take-it-out-and-run-it" working order. Yes, the bare rifle is $1,495. But the rifle ships without sights, and several other features people are going to want in this price range. To get it to a usable state—again, quality irons, front and rear sling mounts and an ambi-safety at the very least—you'll be over $1,800, not including shipping.

    To be clear: I'm not saying this rifle is overpriced in any way. I'm just saying it's not an "incredible value" compared to everything else in the same category right now when you break it down. Street prices on new SR-15E3s aren't that much higher if you look around. Anyone could call Grant and have him build them a similar rifle for a similar price. (Arguably better, if you started with a proper Colt base model.)

    LaRue PredatAR 5.56 16": $1,495
    LaRue/Troy BUIS: $199
    LaRue PredatAR Front Sling Mount: $40
    Rear Sling Mount (Noveske/Whatever else): $20
    Ambi Safety (BAD-ASS or equivalent): $60
    ==============================
    $1,814 w/o shipping

    Let's not get into specifics like you saying it comes with an "SSA trigger" when in fact it is an S2S trigger that MSRPs for $50 less. I'm not saying the S2S sucks; on the contrary. It's just this is a technical forum and you should not be throwing out shit like this to mislead people.

    Your older comment about the "KAC SR15E3 gas block being worrisome because it is set screwed on" is bullshit and I called you out on that, too. The PredatAR's gas block is also set screwed on and you obviously never pulled the rail to check even though you had it in-hand. Strangely, you never replied.

    Again, I really like the PredatAR and recommend it along with a lot of other LaRue products. But your endorsement of this rifle while being misleading with your interpretation of statistics, parts and methods while slamming KAC has made you appear immature and as a shill for whatever company you happen to like at the moment.

    Because of your flavor of the month mentality, the aggressive style in which you smash products that a few months ago you endorsed, your tendency to exaggerate statistics and figures to meet your end-goals (read: help sell whatever you own right NOW), you are one of those guys that most industry veterans, professionals and interested hobbyists ought never take seriously, let alone believe or trust in any way.

    The ones I really feel bad for are the new guys on the forum who don't know your airsoft history and tendency to do all of the aforementioned; they look up to you and believe what you write because you own high quality products, take tacticool photos and participate in shooting classes.
    Absolutely nailed it...I have called this bullshit out 2-3 times over the last cpl. months and finally I gave up after this thread below...
    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=89310

    I simply stated the facts about a super thin barrel opening up quickly under successive firing in regards to the predatAR rifles only to be feed this reply from Titliest in the thread above...

    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
    Please back that up with factual proof. I've seen them being run on peel drills, the shooter dropping prone, and hitting chest sized steel at 500 yards. Must be magic or some shit.
    I get asked for factual proof of my reply...yet apparently Titleist doesn't even bother to listen to the company who made these rifles on this subject as the quote below is from Larue:

    "The PredatAR is meant as a hunting or 3 gun rifle, not a tactical rifle. The pencil barrel will heat much quicker and groups will open up considerably with sustained rapid fire. You will be better off with the OBR 5.56"

    Sad thing is that there are others on here that will buy this overzealous, unsubstantiated praise on this highly technical, fact/evidence based forum, and even a few that will try and paint the folks like myself and now Jchops as having a personal grudge against Titleist or against these larue rifles as denoted by this last quote from one of these fellow members that apparently buys all this crap:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dos Cylindros View Post
    Here we go with Tridet, always starting an argument with established members of the forum.
    I'm glad to know that it's not just myself who believes this is a real threat to the quality of the content and overall image of M4C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
    Well obviously someone has an axe to grind. I'm sorry if I've made you upset enough to take personal swipes at me.
    Not upset at all. Just extremely disappointed that someone with the influence you have would do the things you do—as I've listed—so callously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
    You bring up basic research into my past ownership of guns like the SR-15. Six months before I soured on that gun? I had that gun for well over a year and a half before I started having issues of the scale that soured me, and I'm not happy about the fact that I did sour on it. Trust me, I'm not proud of what happened between myself, that rifle, and Knights. It's a situation I wish didn't happen, for all parties involved. I very vocally, and very stupidly did not like the OBR when I first tried it compared to my SR-25. Through no part other than trigger time, and my hard earned money, did I change my tune on that rifle, as well as the PredatAR. I have never expressed any ulterior motive to the guns and my appreciation for them other then just loving the hell out of what LT has produced. There's no viral marketing implied, the only times I've talked with Mark Larue are to occasionally say, "I haven't broken it yet" and "this thing is still rad!"
    You went from posting photos of you and Chris Costa with dueling SR-25EMCs at a class (while hating Mark and the LaRue OBR) to completely flip-flopping in six months. Look back at your posts six months prior to owning the PredatAR. This is a fact and I've received plenty of PMs from industry friends/vets who have noticed this as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
    As for the rest of your diatribe, cool story bro. I don't feel I have to justify owning airsoft when I lived in California (despite during that time I owned an M1A, Remington 700, USP, 870, etc etc) but never got into firearms seriously till I moved to Oregon. By all means, discredit me as a graphic designer because I once used crayon's when I was younger. Bitchin' logic.
    This is how I would expect an immature fellow like you to respond. With "cool story bro." Thanks for stepping up like a man and admitting your mistakes on just about everything you posted about the PredatAR and SR15 comparisons.

    And I am not attempting to discredit your photographic and graphic design abilities at all; I think you're quite talented in that regard. If I offended you in that way I apologize.

    I'm just making the point that you are obviously vain (with the amount of photos you post with yourself) and love to be shown as a serious user when in fact most of us wouldn't let you near any our gear with a 10-foot pole.

    One only needs to see the photos and comments on TOS from KevinB on your SR-15E3 being returned to KAC for "service" to really comprehend it. Again, quite embarrassing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
    I'm not selling anything, I don't run a gear/gun review blog, I've dealt with some products that didn't work for me, and I've been sometimes vocal when they have not (sometimes putting my dick in the ringer as a result). And as for not replying to your claims a few months ago, sorry I don't have the time to sit here and respond to everything said or asked.
    Yet you responded to this almost instantly without acknowledging any of your misstated numbers and statements? Come on Titleist, you saw that post a few months ago and subsequently took your rail off and let out a "well, shit." You didn't respond because you would have looked like an idiot.

    In the end it really comes down to you being inexperienced, way too fast to endorse products and generally being sour grapes for some really strange reasons.

    Why are you telling people the PredatAR is such a "value", so "light" and the "best AR you own" when in fact it is very close in price for less features and heavier than the SR-15E3? It makes no sense.

    You can't seem to qualify or quantify "best" on a site that requires these very things and in fact you are making these posts because you have an axe to grind with KAC. It's that simple.

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