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    I forgot about the DNC convention in Denver 2008. http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10918033
    When a Jefferson County deputy deployed pepper spray into a crowd during the first night of the Democratic National Convention, he did not know that his targets were undercover Denver police officers...

    "The actions of the undercover detectives on Aug. 25, 2008, may have had the effect of exacerbating an already 'tense situation,' as their feigned struggle led nearby officers and the public to believe that a commanding officer was being attacked by protesters and that the situation necessitated the use of chemical agents," says the letter, written by ACLU staff attorney Taylor Pendergrass.

    "Such actions may have escalated the overall situation by causing officers on the scene to fear that the protesters threatened their safety, when in fact, the struggle was only between uniformed officers and undercover officers," he wrote.
    There's plenty more out there if you want to use your Google-Fu. Have a good day everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish View Post
    So you're saying shoot cops right? If not then read my last post and read every link and watch every video then report back. Things are not always as they first appear.
    yes and no I guess ? I know things are not as they seem but at the same time if I owned a store I have rights to and if I was in threat I have rights to they want anarchy some of them say ? do they really know what it means that it cuts both ways I guess is what I am saying

    BS like planted cops and such doing anything to incite is just wrong IMHO

    if I owned a store and someone started smashing my windows and it was a cop ? oh well a cop is just a person with a job in that situation and a cop should not be breaking out MY windows ! that is more my point with what you posted above and if that happened you bet next time around something would change and they would not get away with that !

    another example not shooting but say shining your boots on some of them you are at a nice monument and some ass hats start chanting and dancing when you and family are their and you say please respect this be quiet they say F U I have the right to do this its a free world I can do whatever I want where ever I want ! I say then well I have the same rights in my eyes to shine my boots on your face
    in reality if that happens those fake anarchist types would be running away or crying etc. or they are fakes ! and then try to call the law on you ? the same law they say does not exist when they want to do something !

    hope that makes more sense ? I am not saying shoot them in the sense you open fire on a crowd ! no way I am saying defend yourself or do the same they do and see what happens !

    hard for me to put in words I guess

    I guess if you had a store and inventory and wanted to protect it
    and a guy in a mask started smashing your windows coming in the store what would you do ?
    in reality not sure I wold be their my life is worth more and I would use insurance but say you got caught their not knowing its coming

    what then ?

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    I do agree about the media and hype
    my brother got arrested in the G20 riots of Seattle years ago !

    why how ?
    he is a lawyer and was sadly caught up in it on the streets outside work as the crowds past through and he was standing their some cop grabbed him cause he did not run etc.. and was a easy grab I guess ?


    typical BS and agree it was a handful

    the recent Canadian Riots in Vancouver my brother in law said most know it was a small group all ready not even at the game masks ready to incite and turn things up and they did it ?

    I do think most of these protests are incited by or for a goal and some get caught up in the violence and most do not and many are just their to see it ?

    no matter what though seems to be getting out of hand and they need to crack down on the groups that do the inciting

    and what the heck are police doing lifting a finger behind the scenes they should only be their to identify and then testify against the inciters

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    Quote Originally Posted by dookie1481 View Post
    "What color IS the boathouse at Hereford?"

    "How the **** should I know?"


    Precisely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Does anyone think that if the U.K had similar gun laws like we have in the U.S that things would be different? Would these roaming gangs of people be more hesitant if shopkeepers pulled a deal like some did during the Rodney King riots?

    All of my colleagues live somewhere in the U.K and some of them in the London area. Many of them are appalled at the situation and some of them believe that it is the tying of hands of the police that is allowing this to happen.
    Yep....as a former Brit soldier I completely agree with them too. The tying of hands, constant police cutbacks and nanny state mentality full of do-gooding pricks is exactly what allowed this to escalate over 4 days. It's not as though the British police don't know what to do...for years they have dealt with rioting Irish troubles related protagonists, football hooligans etc. The whole watercannon/baton round issue for instance - plenty of them around, been used effectively for years in Northern Ireland. The whole deliberation about using the same effective tactics in London cost them dear. The power to make those tactical decisions has effectively been taken away from incident controllers and made political.

    The gun laws....if circumstances were different I believe you are damn right the roaming gangs would have been deterred....nothing like getting shot at to put that quest for a new plasma TV on hold

    But even if that were the case....the namby pamby do-gooders in the UK have basically served to stack the laws in favor of the criminals these days. There is quite a famous case in the UK where a farmer shot two thieving bastards as they came to rob him....he was absolutely dragged through the wringer for it where at the end of the day if they were not stealing his stuff, they would not have gotten shot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29. It is disgusting that the right of self defense has effectively been stripped away to nothing in the UK.

    Could similar riots happen here in the US - of course, they already have/do, as mentioned by others on this thread. Same kind of piece of shit lowlifes exist here as well as in the rest of the world. While I do believe that thankfully the laws here for the most part do still at least allow for a more decisive response in most parts of the country....the same politically correct 21st century human rights bullshit mentality still pervades to a degree. This is really exacerbated by the pricks on CNN etc who are all hellbent on showing "Police brutality" and the like, where in reality the way to deal with riots like this requires good old 70s/80s skull cracking policing tactics. Whether it be in the US, UK or anywhere else in the Western World, the media today has way too much influence and causes those guys and gals on the ground to have pause for thought about every action they take lest they end up on the receiving end of a witch hunt/lawsuit - a really bad situation, IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by An Undocumented Worker View Post
    Do criminals in England have any civil liberties to lose, like felons here in the states, or does everyone there have pretty much nothing to lose, other than property?

    I'm starting to think the further away from freedom and liberty a society goes, the worse crime gets. From my very limited perspective there doesn't seem to be much difference between how law abiding citizens and criminals are treated over there.
    LOL....I find these kind of comments quite funny, they always seem to crop up on these kinds of discussions

    Despite what I said above, in reality Britain is still far from an evil communist socialist shithole where people are somehow "not free". You are free to do what you want.....some might say too free actually, with the way too soft benefits and free health care on offer. Sure, some laws (especially those regarding firearms!) are more stringent than they are here, but I can assure you there's still a huge proportion hard working people enjoying everything a modern democratic first world country has to offer, despite what the media might try to tell you The UK tabloid press is the absolute worst and most self destructive on the planet (as evidenced recently by the Rupert Murdock scandal).
    Last edited by SA80Dan; 08-12-11 at 11:44.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post
    A few different posts have touched up on what the problem is.



    1. Decades of socialism and they don't have the money anymore.

    A. They are ineffectual and have taken the pride & independence out of the people.

    B. They got everyone hooked on free everything, and now they can't keep paying for it.

    2. Mass immigration into Europe from the 3rd world.

    A. Immigrants are not adopting their host country as theirs, and taking in their languages, values, and ideology. They setup little versions of their own country. The problem with that is their home country is a 3rd world shit hole. Our early immigrants came from civilized societies with similar values to our own. Mass immigration by the 3rd world means you setup 3rd world ghettos in a civilized society. Our early immigrants had a shared lifestyle, value system, basic religious tenets, ect.



    I believe it was sometime in the 50's or 60's where we basically cut off western European immigration to a trickle, and started in with the 3rd worlders. I know my family came here in 1948 from Holland. Now, unless its by marriage, it would be virtually impossible for that to happen now. Read about the rural towns who have been taken over by Somali immigrants, and its bound to happen here sooner or later on a scale like this. On my second deployment all our interpreters were trying to take part in a program to get US citizenship. Its friggen unreal. The west is committing mass suicide. When I was in Germany no one liked the turks. They had their own sections of towns that were "theirs". They don't give a shit about Germany or German culture. Read about the the rape epidemic in Sweden. Some once thriving and nice towns there are overrun with middle easterners, and where crime was scare the numbers have exploded particularly sexual crimes against natives.



    While what that guy in Norway did was appalling I believe this is what he was fighting against (in his mind). I suspect as more of this goes on the nationalistic side is going to become more prevalent. Only so many people are going to sit by why their towns get taken over by the 3rd world, drugs become rampant, and their daughters get raped on their way home from school because some muslim thug thinks raping a non muslim woman isn't wrong. They go out on the streets destroying entire blocks because the natives aren't as accepting of them as they want, they want to be given jobs instead of doing it on their own, and they are basically holding their host countries hostage. Unless you appease them and think everything they do is ok they'll burn the place down.
    Causes.....I agree with most of that apart from the "socialism" bit - this seems to be to be quite a big misconception among Americans that the UK is somehow the next USSR or something. When you boil it right down, there is very little difference between lowlife living in an English "sink estate" on welfare than there is a bunch of lowlife living in the US "projects" on welfare.....they are very similar people. The UK system might provide for a bit more.....but its essentially a very similar scenario.
    Dan

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    The US welfare system makes the UK's look 3rd rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by armakraut View Post
    The US welfare system makes the UK's look 3rd rate.
    In what way
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