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Thread: The case AGAINST free floating rails

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    Sounds great! Does he give medical, stock and real estate advice, too?

    Pat
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    OP, keep in mind my response and most of those by others aren't an attack on you.. It's people like your friend that spread very wrong info and some guys that are new, may listen since he knows more than them at least.

    Unfortunately, many new guys have wasted money and fired many useless rounds downrange because they were listening to someone else bad advice.

    You need to not talk to him about firearms, or at least don't accept anything he says as right. This is pretty much common knowledge about hand guards in the industry, so that tells me he probably knows very little when it comes to harder to answer questions.

    Be careful. When someone talks about good and bad with these rifles, I first want to know what their experience is and how they came to this conclusion, and also how many thousands of rounds a year they fire other than at an indoor or static outdoor range. It's like the guys coming here telling serious shooters that a Bushmaster or Stag is what they need to buy, come to find out they only fire a few hundred rounds a year from a bench.

    Tell him to speak on what he knows and has experienced only, not what he assumes.
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    I can see how if you buy a cheap synthetic free float rail for $9.99 at the local Gun & Jerky (hey I like both!) or an Asian knock-off intended for the airsoft market you might be able to break it by slamming it against your knee. Personally, my knees are already crap and I would not want to further exacerbate that condition, and I like to buy quality.

    Then again, between all those clips in the DD video, of running it over with cars, dropping it from helos and shooting it with 00 buck, I never did see Larry try break that forend over his knee, so maybe there's something to it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Echo Silhouette is the target at 500 yards.
    20" wide, 40" tall.
    Shot from the prone position, no support other than a loop sling (which is substantial).
    10 rounds. 10 minutes.

    Sling tension can play hell on zero due to . . . lack of free floating HG!!!

    But what the hell do I know?
    I have no dog in this hunt but can't resist a point of order here.....those kids still make center of mass hits at 500 yards with issue M855 ammo without FF HGs. (Yea I know the zero changes without the tight sling )

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    I have no dog in this hunt but can't resist a point of order here.....those kids still make center of mass hits at 500 yards with issue M855 ammo without FF HGs. (Yea I know the zero changes without the tight sling )
    Yes. And the opposite of passing bad information like the OP's incorrect friend is doing is having people think they must have a
    FF handguard/rail to have an accurate carbine/rifle. This isn't the case as far as I can tell.

    I've often wondered if part of the "mag-well hold" wasn't to take variation in pressure off the handguard when shooting the AR. I know people still that use it with success, but not while moving or engaging multiple targets.


    The bit about breaking a quality FF rail is rubbish. There is likely some cheap crap out there that would break though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    I have no dog in this hunt but can't resist a point of order here.....those kids still make center of mass hits at 500 yards with issue M855 ammo without FF HGs. (Yea I know the zero changes without the tight sling )
    Generally speaking, I will not see more than 7 of 10 hits within a 4 MOA circle unless the shooter is either A: an experienced shooter (or) B: was issued an unmolested rifle (or) C: issued an ACOG.

    Make no mistake about it, we do it from a position that is nearly as stable as shooting from a front bag, but were limited by the front sight. I would have guys adjust their sights so that at 500 yards (~457 meters) so that a center strike would require a head hold. Not supposed to do so, but getting guys to get mechanical performance standard from an "unsupported" position does a lot more for morale than a bunch of guys that barely scraped by and begin to dread the range. Further, many rifles prove to be more capable than threshold failure before some semi-mongoloid had their faithful followers scrape gouges into the crown.

    Magnification is one of the greatest enhancements to accuracy that can be bolted onto a weapon. Failure to fully and completely focus on the front sight is one of the more common issues with upper-level performance, and though it is more of a sight picture thing it still pertains to one's ability to break the shot with the greatest degree of consistency. A loop sling makes a big difference over "field" positions, as long as is it is applied and tensioned consistently. A FF HG will reduce the necessity for such consistency, making applied tension (through whatever means) negligable, and make distance dependant deflection correction less common.

    So, yeah, it is done, but generally not to the degree that many imply.
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    Well if free floating is good, no handguard mist be better. I'm taking my hand guards off tonight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 99HMC4 View Post
    Well if free floating is good, no handguard mist be better. I'm taking my hand guards off tonight!
    If you happen to go that route I have an old asbestos M60 barrel change mitt for sale cheap.....

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    The next mall-ninja fad is born. Quick to market with designer instructor branded kevlar barrel direction gloves now..

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    Last edited by skullworks; 08-13-11 at 15:49.

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