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Thread: The case AGAINST free floating rails

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    I want to be plain anyone using a sling attached to a barrel swivel and cranking up the tension is either stuck using a service rifle - or has NO clue about precision shooting. The POI will shift, guaranteed.

    That's the point - it would make no difference whether it was a 1/4MOA match barrel or 2MOA milspec one, it will shift. That's why the precision crowd makes sure their sling is attached to a separate structure and not to the barrel.

    Conversely, a free float won't make a barrel suddenly shoot better than it's inherent dispersion. It just eliminates pressure on the barrel changing the POI. That's the point - if it's a 2MOA milspec barrel, it's still a 2MOA barrel with a free float.

    I don't see that the effective accuracy needed in the field will be significantly enhanced by spending an extra $250 for a free float, when shooters would be better off with a better quality ammo, a good optic, and more practice. Which is exactly what most precision shooters ALSO have to do to improve group sizes.

    The problem? Too many want to buy an brag part rather that work to gain skill, so when you read the internet for how to do it, freefloats rank right up in front - at $250 a pop.

    And the one opinion which should count comes from KAC, the contract holder. They say don't bother. What do the other rail makers guarantee? Nothing in writing.

    Rather than argue whether so "bubba" hasn't a clue, it would be more professional to specify exactly what it takes for a freefloat to do anything - which points "Bubba" might have had in mind that were correct - rather than engaging a a freeforall of character assassination.

    After all, you're talking about a customer, all you do is help educate them if they're a bit off the mark. No sense saying he's a retard idiot.

    Any guess which company rep wants to be upfront about his employers' name? Cause I don't need to buy from people who think their customers are retard idiots. Chiappa should be a good case in point - they don't think anyone with intelligence would question their new RFID chips.

    I smell the same arrogance in this discussion.

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    I've decided to go with KAS RAS M4 and I'll use the factory M4 barrel side mount for my sling to keep the rifle as slim line as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTifosi View Post
    Free floats are junk because they don't give enough support when using the barrel to lever together a USGI cot.
    They can't be any worse than the M9 is at hammering in tent pegs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tirod View Post
    I want to be plain anyone using a sling attached to a barrel swivel and cranking up the tension is either stuck using a service rifle - or has NO clue about precision shooting. The POI will shift, guaranteed.

    That's the point - it would make no difference whether it was a 1/4MOA match barrel or 2MOA milspec one, it will shift. That's why the precision crowd makes sure their sling is attached to a separate structure and not to the barrel.

    Conversely, a free float won't make a barrel suddenly shoot better than it's inherent dispersion. It just eliminates pressure on the barrel changing the POI. That's the point - if it's a 2MOA milspec barrel, it's still a 2MOA barrel with a free float.

    I don't see that the effective accuracy needed in the field will be significantly enhanced by spending an extra $250 for a free float, when shooters would be better off with a better quality ammo, a good optic, and more practice. Which is exactly what most precision shooters ALSO have to do to improve group sizes.

    The problem? Too many want to buy an brag part rather that work to gain skill, so when you read the internet for how to do it, freefloats rank right up in front - at $250 a pop.

    And the one opinion which should count comes from KAC, the contract holder. They say don't bother. What do the other rail makers guarantee? Nothing in writing.

    Rather than argue whether so "bubba" hasn't a clue, it would be more professional to specify exactly what it takes for a freefloat to do anything - which points "Bubba" might have had in mind that were correct - rather than engaging a a freeforall of character assassination.

    After all, you're talking about a customer, all you do is help educate them if they're a bit off the mark. No sense saying he's a retard idiot.

    Any guess which company rep wants to be upfront about his employers' name? Cause I don't need to buy from people who think their customers are retard idiots. Chiappa should be a good case in point - they don't think anyone with intelligence would question their new RFID chips.

    I smell the same arrogance in this discussion.
    Can you sum up this rambling? I'm feeling like a ping-pong-ball after reading it.

    Perceived accuracy benefits are only one of the reasons someone may choose a free-float rail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSixPack View Post
    I've decided to go with KAS RAS M4 and I'll use the factory M4 barrel side mount for my sling to keep the rifle as slim line as possible.

    Going to have a couple like new Daniel Defense Omega 7" and Troy 7" Battle rails for sale next week when the KAS rails come in.
    So you decided that "he who should know about these things" was right and everyone else who you came here to ask advice from what wrong?

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    This is exactly why I hate these threads and the similar "what upper should I buy threads?".

    People come in, get told what is contrary to what they heard elsewhere and then after getting counltess opinions decide to buy exactly what they knew they were going to buy to begin with.

    In any case, you made your choice and we can now put this puppy to sleep.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSixPack View Post
    I've decided to go with KAS RAS M4 and I'll use the factory M4 barrel side mount for my sling to keep the rifle as slim line as possible.



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