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Thread: The case AGAINST free floating rails

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    A sling mount should be rear the bottom of the feature list when it comes to rails. There are lots of crappy rails on the market with sling mounts.

    Depending on how they are made, I would almost rather have the sling mount as an add on. Should the sling insert become worn or damaged, if its a part of the rail you may be screwed. If its external the rail, all one would need to do is attatch another.

    Quality of the machine work and mounting system should be much higher on the list. That being said, the DD RIS-II is w/o equal.

    DD makes a sling mount which weighs maybe an ounce. Depending on your chosen sling, I also like the Magpul mounts. No moving parts. Now if only the MS3 sling would actually be released...

    He said "Free floating means just what it says, free floating, as in the front of the rail is not attached to anything. Take a rifle with an aftermarket free floating rail, kneel on one knee, hold it out in front of you horizontally then bring the front of the free floating rail down on your knee like you were trying to break a large branch, there's a good chance it will break at the barrel nut.

    Now repeat this experiment with a drop-in non-free floating rail that is supported by the front sight base. Unless you manage to warp the barrel, which would be pretty hard on a carbine, chances are your knee will give out before you damage anything.
    I wonder what knock off bullshit brittle chinese rails he's used before. His logic seems perfect if we were all using airsoft guns.

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    I absolutely beat the shit out of a Mk-18 with the DD lite rail and haven't had anything break, bend, or come loose. I'm not going to do the knee test you described because I don't want to hurt my knee but I have done the "land on it fast-roping onto tarmac" and "smash it repeatedly against the inside of armored vehicle" tests and it's still good to go.
    Those Marines shooting at 8" circles are resting their M-16's on sandbags. If you want to use different types of support with different techniques for gripping the weapon a free float rail is a good idea.

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    The Omega rain clamps against the existing barrel nut using 4 set screws.
    You don't have to remove the delta ring assembly or the front sight base to install it.

    The OmegaX rail has it's own proprietary barrel nut.
    The front site base, barrel nut, and delta ring assembly have to be removed.

    Another option with the QD socket is LaRue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSixPack View Post
    "The Marines teach teenagers how to hit an 8" circle at 500 yards with iron sights using a well worn M16 with a 20" barrel and they do it without a free floating rail. If you are doing competition shooting where you are trying to put one round on top of the next at 500 yards with your hand wrapped through a sling so tight your fingers are turning purple then you might could make an argument for a free floating rail. But on a carbine, with a shorter stiffer barrel, a free floating rail is pointless".
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    The reticle in my Comp M3 covers an 8" target at 200. How do you see an 8" at 500?
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    What is the Marine Corp long range standard? I kind of glossed over while I read it, but about 1.6MOA (8/5) is better than the contract accuracy of M855 ammo, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    What is the Marine Corp long range standard? I kind of glossed over while I read it, but about 1.6MOA (8/5) is better than the contract accuracy of M855 ammo, isn't it?
    Echo Silhouette is the target at 500 yards.
    20" wide, 40" tall.
    Shot from the prone position, no support other than a loop sling (which is substantial).
    10 rounds. 10 minutes.

    Sling tension can play hell on zero due to . . . lack of free floating HG!!!

    But what the hell do I know?
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    Your friend is a bubba in the highest order. He is the typical bubba that you run into at gun shows and ranges who is the resident self proclaimed gun expert in the local trailer park. Stop talking to him about all things related to firearms. You want real factual no BS answers, research and post here at M4C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkmckinley View Post
    Those Marines shooting at 8" circles are resting their M-16's on sandbags.
    Nope.

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    Free floats are junk because they don't give enough support when using the barrel to lever together a USGI cot.

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