New Federal Cartridge shotgun loads for LE

[Kowalski]

Fogofwar - That's a great price. I suppose I could have a friend pick some up there, as there is that LE/MIL requirement, but then, I already have this case from Ammoman staring me in the face..

M4Fundie - Replied in PM so as not to derail the thread.

I'm curious about the PB127 DPRS. Brennekes have shot well for me, but for comparison, I haven't yet found much in the way of user experiences with these new Federal slugs as far as accuracy. I'll have to get a few boxes and take a look.

[Altair]

I patterned my 11-87P 18" improved cylinder with the new #1 Federal buckshot, here were the results:

5 yards in the head, 10 yards center mass:


15 yards:


20 yards:


25 yards:


30 yards:


As you can see, a hostage head shot is very possible with this load at 5 yards as the pattern (if you can call it that) is still one hole and exactly at point of aim. At 10 yards all pellets were still in the X-ring, at 15 yards all pellets were still in the 9 ring, at 20 yards only one pellet was out to the 8 ring with the rest still in the 9 ring, at 25 yards there was one pellet in the 7 ring, one in the 8 ring, and the rest were in the 9 ring, and at 30 yards all pellets were still in the 8 ring except one that was high just above the 7 (but my whole pattern was high, probably my fault).

Needless to say, this stuff patterns very well out of my gun and I had no cycling issues, though I've only gone through 10 rounds so far. I did prove, with a shot timer, that I can put 4 rounds of this into the center of a silhouette target in under 2 seconds (1.91 to be exact) at 15 yards from the low ready.

60 pellets into one target in under 2 seconds ought to do the trick for home defense, especially since it was at least 5 yards farther than I'm ever going to shoot in my home. And people wonder why I like shotguns for close work...

[DocGKR]

Well done Sir!

Pattern looks exactly like we have come to expect with this superb loading.

The Federal LE132-1B is the top LE/personal defense multi-projectile 12 ga load currently in existence.

[CoryCop25]

Where can I purchase this on a PO for my department? We usually deal with Jerry's in PA.

[DocGKR]

Any ATK LE dealer should have it or at least be able to order it.

I know San Diego Police Equipment (800-367-8989) has a bunch available for west coast agency purchase.

[CoryCop25]

Any ATK LE dealer should have it or at least be able to order it.

I know San Diego Police Equipment (800-367-8989) has a bunch available for west coast agency purchase.

Thanks Doc,
I will give Jerry's a call. We get all our ATK ammo from them.

[ST911]

Not only is it a great load, it is very cost effective at agency pricing. Federal in general, of late.

[Altair]

UPDATE:

Additional pics of 35, 40, 45, and 50 yards:

35 Yards:


40 Yards:


45 Yards:


50 Yards:


At 35 yards I only counted 13 holes but a couple might have been 2 so I'm not sure if I was missing pellets. The group still looked pretty good despite being a bit high. At 40 I only had 11 pellets on target and the shot was really high. You can see some very wide spread. There is still a main cluster of pellets with several spread out and by themselves. At 45 I found 13 pellet holes and the shot was better than at 40 (closer to center) but the loose grouping is still apparent. And finally at 50 I still counted 13 pellets with several in center mass of the target.

In short, if you get past 30 yards you need to expect pellets to miss the target. Sometimes they spread evenly and sometimes one or two seem to stray. Regardless, it is certainly not a crap shoot at 50 as I think it is still very reasonable to expect hits on your target. You just need to be very careful about backstop and what is near your target at longer ranges as those stray pellets have to go somewhere.

[bzdog]

Nice. Thanks for the test!

-john

[ST911]

In short, if you get past 30 yards you need to expect pellets to miss the target. Sometimes they spread evenly and sometimes one or two seem to stray. Regardless, it is certainly not a crap shoot at 50 as I think it is still very reasonable to expect hits on your target. You just need to be very careful about backstop and what is near your target at longer ranges as those stray pellets have to go somewhere.

This is not to poke at your work, but food for thought:

The B27 is an exceptionally generous target and skews perception of hit potential. I think your 30yd number is a good one, but I would use a more realistic target to determine how far I could stretch out, and how many of my pellets are within more optimal impact areas in addition to the target at large.

Take this example of OOB fired on a B21 type. If fired on a B27, a shooter might perceive they had much more distance potential than they actually do.