Quality of New Sigs

[No Bananas]

I've been away from Sig pistols for a while. Noticed a P229 in the shop today. The grip was slimmer, more ergonomic and a littl erougher texture. The trigger was thinner, and the extractor was much longer than the older models.

I liked it. Same quality, reliability, accuracy on these as the old models?

[Odglock]

That's the newer e2 grip. I like the feel better than the older style. However, the QC and reliability have suffered at sig for the last few years. I'd pass and get an HK or a GLOCK.

[Pistol Shooter]

My P220 is three years old. Frame made in W. Germany the rest in the USA.

I've fed an assortment of fmj and jhp ammo (approximately 2,000 rds.) through it with zero malfunctions to date.

It's extremely accurate and a pleasure to shoot.

[drsal]

Nice to hear another favorable comment regarding the p220; most people I have spoken with really have had nothing negative to say..will rent one and try it out...it may be next present to myself !

[Hmac]

I bought my P229 in 1996 and it's been excellent. Sig's reputation these days, however, is pretty bad. A search here on M4C isn't likely to return much in the way of positive comments about their pistols made by SigArms.

[Mjolnir]

I had one of the original P226 Navy pistols and put maybe 4,500 hard rounds thru it before sending it back to Sig for an SRT and trigger job. I then put another 2,000 to 2,500 rounds thru it. Zero issues - except it had me lusting for another. Re-sprung it and sold it to finance some advanced coating development work for my "work horse" 1911s.

I love the P226 and it troubles me that their CEO has dragged them into the muck and mire. He should be flogged unmercilously.

[300WM]

HK dude. If you like the P229, check out the HK USP/USP compact or the P30. The prices are comparable to the Sig. Lifetime warranty on HK (Sig, as well) and HK's CS is outstanding. Glocks are bulletproof, as well as the HK, but the trigger is DA only, and they are a little ugly, which I wouldn't worry about too much; you're not going to procreate with it. JMHO

[Trajan]

HK dude. If you like the P229, check out the HK USP/USP compact or the P30. The prices are comparable to the Sig. Lifetime warranty on HK (Sig, as well) and HK's CS is outstanding. Glocks are bulletproof, as well as the HK, but the trigger is DA only, and they are a little ugly, which I wouldn't worry about too much; you're not going to procreate with it. JMHO

Glock isn't "real" DA like SIG, HK or Beretta. I'd call it a shitty single action.

Looks shouldn't matter, its a tool, not your wife.

But I don't think Glocks look bad.

[PPGMD]

Sig's QC issues are over stated, yes they've had some issues, but they aren't the Highpoint level that some like to imply.

In the classic P Series, it tends to be pistols that either don't run out of the box, or you will have no issues. If you are like most people and have no issues the accuracy and reliability will be what you expect from a Sig.

[KhanRad]

It isn't a question of whether the old guns are better than the new guns, it's a question of whether the average commercial buyer will abuse the gun enough to reveal the differences in quality controls and materials. Old Sigs used a higher quality aluminum frame, machined parts, and contract level quality controls. The gun was test fired at the factory too, and a target was included with your purchase. Now days, Sigs use a softer grade alloy for the frame material which wears faster, MIM parts, and most of the time no quality control checks. Parts are also outsourced and brought in from other factories. In order to ensure that all those parts fit when they are assembled at Exeter, the overall tolerances were opened up to ensure that everything fits. These issues usually are not brought out in the commercial market, because the average civilian buyer will not push the pistol in hard use training. Military/Police contract guns are run to their breaking point, which means many tens of thousands of rounds before the gun is retired. My agency, the Department of Interior, has been running Sigs for 19 years now, and the newer guns just don't last as long.

There are three types of Sigs that can be purchased in the US now days:
1) No quality control checks(commercial market)
2) Some quality control checks(most LEO purchases)
3) DHS level quality controls(specifically request by agency)

With each increase in quality controls, the price increases. Does this mean that a commercial market gun will be defective?......no. It just means that it left the factory with no quality checks and most of the time everything will be in spec resulting in no problems. However, with large scale LEO purchases of hundred-thousands of pistols, you will get a large percentage of defective Sigs. Our last new Sig purchase was for 200 P226R .40s. 24 of the guns were returned to Sig for defects right out of the box. I'm not sure what defects were discovered after some rounds were run through them. We just didn't have to do this in the old days with Sigs.