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Thread: Best place to buy small parts: detents & springs, etc. ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman8 View Post
    Thanks for this link...even though its not the one that you meant. I really like the looks of this kit for spares in case something breaks or for preventative maintenance.

    I did a search on the quality of CMMG and it looks like its hit or miss when it comes to their rifles, but since this is just small parts, this should be at least decent quality I'm assuming? Any thoughts?
    Honestly I can say that I've ever used that cmmg kit. I've only bought a bunch of dpms spare parts. they've saved the day when I've been out on a desert shoot when I'd otherwise would have had to call it a day. It'll do in a pinch. As for preventative maintenance, I'm a new shoote with only afew thousand rounds down tghe pipe so my gear has yet to get run down. But id assume only changing detents and springs as things start to loosen up. I can't see there being much of a difference in those parts to be honest. The bolt and firing pin on the otherhand....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT TIKKI View Post
    Honestly a dentent is a detent. I honestly don't have a problem with any of the small bits and peices I've ever got from them. At least they have pretty decent prices and you can get spares for just about everything. I especially like $1 hammer springs.
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT TIKKI View Post
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    I've only bought a bunch of dpms spare parts. ...
    ... I can't see there being much of a difference in those parts to be honest. The bolt and firing pin on the otherhand....
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    Why do you make exception at the "bolt and firing pin"? If a "detent is a detent" then a "part is a part" and a "BCG is a BCG" and so on...

    Not the kind of talk that gets promoted on this site...

    But maybe it's just me...


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    Last edited by ucrt; 08-25-11 at 23:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucrt View Post
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    Why do you make exception at the "bolt and firing pin"? If a "detent is a detent" then a "part is a part" and a "BCG is a BCG" and so on...

    Not the kind of talk that gets promoted on this site...

    But maybe it's just me...


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    Are you saying you put the same amount of importance in a detent as you do with your firing pin? Honestly I don't. They just have a habit of disappearing on me while swapping parts. So I get extras.

    Now why would you put the same importance on them? Do you insist on mpt and hpi testing on all your detents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT TIKKI View Post
    Are you saying you put the same amount of importance in a detent as you do with your firing pin? Honestly I don't. They just have a habit of disappearing on me while swapping parts. So I get extras.

    Now why would you put the same importance on them? Do you insist on mpt and hpi testing on all your detents?
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    Here's the deal...a broken $1 trigger spring can render your rifle as dead as a bad FP or bolt. A bad detent can allow your Safety to slide to Fire when you don't want it to or make it very hard to go to Fire when you need it to.

    To claim that you have such a deep and thorough understanding of the rifle that your are able to group certain components as not needing quality composition or manufacture is basically "redesigning" your rifle.
    Probably the same thinking that allowed Oly, DPMS, Hesse, etc. to get started.

    This Site does not promote a "jaga" mentality and definitely does support the notion that "a part is a part". To condone that thinking, may cause someone that uses their rifle in life or death situations to buy, build or repair a rifle that is less than adequate and prone to fail at an inopportune time.

    But maybe it's just me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucrt View Post
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    Here's the deal...a broken $1 trigger spring can render your rifle as dead as a bad FP or bolt. A bad detent can allow your Safety to slide to Fire when you don't want it to or make it very hard to go to Fire when you need it to.

    To claim that you have such a deep and thorough understanding of the rifle that your are able to group certain components as not needing quality composition or manufacture is basically "redesigning" your rifle.
    Probably the same thinking that allowed Oly, DPMS, Hesse, etc. to get started.

    This Site does not promote a "jaga" mentality and definitely does support the notion that "a part is a part". To condone that thinking, may cause someone that uses their rifle in life or death situations to buy, build or repair a rifle that is less than adequate and prone to fail at an inopportune time.

    But maybe it's just me...

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    Preach on! So what should the op be using? Well what are you using? Can you enlighten me on the differences between a quality detent and a dpms one?

    I mean no disrespect really I don't. Please tell me I'm missing. I really want to know.

    Also I do realize that I'm new to this forum. But what is "jaga" mentality and what would be m4carbines' overall build theory/mentality?

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    I see where both of you guys are coming from, and I am alwasy one to buy quality as well, I just didn't know if there was any "real" differenced between small parts such as pins, detents and springs? There is no question in my mind that bolts and barrels are not all made equal.

    UCRT, since you have voiced your opinion, what is your thoughts on the CMMG small parts? Should they be G2G?

    AGENT, the theory of this forum is that if you are going to own a rifle that may be put to use to protect the lives of you or yours, then you should buy quality and take it seriously. Period. There is no room for DPMS or Oly who cut corners in parts just to drive down costs and jepordize the whole build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT TIKKI View Post
    Preach on! So what should the op be using? Well what are you using? Can you enlighten me on the differences between a quality detent and a dpms one?
    I'm unsure if anyone has ever compared the parts closely but I look at it like this:

    Most of us have around $1,000 - $1,800 in our rifles. Why in God's name, based on the overall cost and (I'm assuming) quality of the rifle, would you want to skimp on lower parts? It's like the guy who owns a Ferrari bitching about a $1,800 oil change. Not sure the exact figures on what you're looking at, but I'm pretty confident that the differences between components from G&R vs. company X are negligible, when compared to the overall cost of the weapon. And we know his stuff is solid - so order from somewhere like that and you won't have to worry.

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    I've always picked up spare parts at gun shows, from guys who had tables full of that kind of thing. It never occurred to me that it may be inferior quality, but I can see that could be a risk, at a place like a gun show.

    I have already added small parts on to an existing Brownell's order as well. It's not too bad if you can piggyback onto an order, so as not to have to pay the shipping just for the small parts.

    I like the idea of buying them from G&R, though, in the future. Appreciate what Grant does for the site.

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    Then let me be the first to say, if I could afford the Ferrari I'd sooner do the oil change myself then pay $1800 for some over-educated snob to loosen, and then re-tighten a single bolt. Anyone who would do otherwise is a F'n idiot. I've got one fiat American dollar that says a good rapport with the local mom & pop auto shop gets you just as good or better service for a sane price.

    $2 for a detent pin is insanity not quality. All you folks crapping on DPMS may be justified for many parts but on the detent pins I call for proof or else you're drunk on the punch. Hell, I bet RRA, DPMS, LMT, & Oly all buy their pins from the same places. I bet if you bought a thousand pins from each manufacturer you'd find a similar percentage of rejects in each batch. I bet any difference in mean time to failure is insignificant.
    Last edited by 0reo; 08-26-11 at 10:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0reo View Post
    Then let me be the first to say, if I could afford the Ferrari I'd sooner do the oil change myself then pay $1800 for some over-educated snob to loosen, and then re-tighten a single bolt. Anyone who would do otherwise is a F'n idiot. I've got one fiat American dollar that says a good rapport with the local mom & pop auto shop gets you just as good or better service for a sane price.

    $2 for a detent pin is insanity not quality. All you folks crapping on DPMS may be justified for many parts but on the detent pins I call for proof or else you're drunk on the punch. Hell, I bet RRA, DPMS, LMT, & Oly all buy their pins from the same places. I bet if you bought a thousand pins from each manufacturer you'd find a similar percentage of rejects in each batch.
    Breathe the Ferrari reference was an example. And since you strayed that much, Ferrari techs actually undergo a lot of training to work on those cars as it's not just a drain plug. On some models you actually have to pull the block up and remove the rear fenders to even get to the oil pan. So a great degree of that $1,800 or so is the labor intensive process of moving the motor. Either way, my example was not saying I don't buy American or that I take all my cars to stealerships to get the oil changed. Chill out.

    And secondly, if you are convinced you have your little 'supply chain' in order, why the hell did you ask about where to get the components? All some of us were saying is that quality internals are a small price to pay when compared to the overall investment in the weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0reo View Post
    $2 for a detent pin is insanity not quality. All you folks crapping on DPMS may be justified for many parts but on the detent pins I call for proof or else you're drunk on the punch.
    So they'd skimp on components like barrels, bolts, etc. but then they'd throw in quality internals? ooooook. With those aforementioned manufacturers, I'd bet if you can't see that part, it's most likely not top-grade.
    Last edited by munch520; 08-26-11 at 10:29.

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