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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    Seems like you're set on your idea since you're ignoring others and don't seem to understand that composites are not necessarily lighter than metals.

    Go get your DPMS tube and have a nice day.
    Checked all your listed options: both the newly discovered Clark Custom carbon fiber handguard and the DPMS tube beat all the handguards you listed by three or more ounces.

    Yes, I'll buy the Clark. I said I'd go with the DPMS because before I found the Clark, I'd found nothing of equal weight.

    Yes, I still intend to drill holes in the handguard.

    No, I don't need any rails. The Clark has a sling swivel, that's all I need for this application.

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    Weight isn't the "be all, end all" that everyone seems to think it is lately.

    If a piece of shit weighs 3 ounces less then it is a 3 ounce lighter piece of shit.

    Look for a balance between durability, quality, and weight. If you want to look at weight only and don't want to pay for a proven manufacturer be my guest. Just don't expect a pat on the back for a cheap light build of suspect parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SWATcop556 View Post
    Weight isn't the "be all, end all" that everyone seems to think it is lately.

    If a piece of shit weighs 3 ounces less then it is a 3 ounce lighter piece of shit.

    Look for a balance between durability, quality, and weight. If you want to look at weight only and don't want to pay for a proven manufacturer be my guest. Just don't expect a pat on the back for a cheap light build of suspect parts.
    I doubt I'll break the float tube off. I'm not buying the DPMS one, either. I'm going to buy the Clark.

    And in a backpack rifle, weight is very important to me. This gun will sit in the safe until I waltz off into the woods with it. I have a dedicated defensive rifle. This will not be that.

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    I have actually seen shitty nuts (no pun intended) distort when trying to break them loose as well as the teeth get grinded off by the wrench. So no they aren't all the same.

    Buy what you want, it's your money. I agree with the whole weight saving fad. There is a time and a place for it, but people are getting carried away.

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    I've yet to see a barrel nut fail.
    Call me crazy, I don't think that's a common issue with the AR-15, regardless of manufacturer.
    It's a tube and a barrel nut, and some epoxy.

    I thought that the DPMS tube would work because I could drill holes in it easily and cut down on the weight, and I don't need to carry the weight of a rail on top of the weapon because the rifle will have a front sight base, not a low-profile gas block.

    If someone has a better suggestion for a carbon fiber tube that doesn't cost $300, I'll be glad to hear it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kfgk14 View Post
    Clark Custom carbon fiber handguard

    Yes, I still intend to drill holes in the handguard.
    Are you concerned that Drilling the Carbon Fiber will effect the structural integrity of the tube? Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happypupy View Post
    Are you concerned that Drilling the Carbon Fiber will effect the structural integrity of the tube? Just curious.
    I've seen vent holes in other carbon fiber tubes. I'm not sure if I will, I am still considering it.
    I hope the Clark is of the level of quality that the barrel nut won't fail me. If it does, I'll return it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kfgk14 View Post
    I hope the Clark is of the level of quality that the barrel nut won't fail me. If it does, I'll return it.
    Why hope when knowing is much more comforting. I would not take the chance on wasting my money on the Clark handguard. The potential aggravation and downtime of having to deal with returning it would not be worth the slight savings(weight&cost) IMO.

    Since cost appears to be a factor, buying used might be a good way for you to pick up parts for this project without breaking the bank. If you watch the EE can pick up a Daniel Defense handguard for a little more. Sure, it will weigh a bit more but the structural integrity will be there beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    Rob made a very good suggestion by recommending that you go with a LW barrel for your build. There are plenty of people that are using them with no ill effect.

    As IG said it’s your money so do as you wish but in all three of your threads that are centered around your backpack theme people have offered you very solid advice. It just might be wise to give some of it a bit more consideration.

    As far as your pack goes take a look at US Grunt Gear. They make some darn good stuff. Cost could be up there but I think you would have a good chance of getting what you want.
    http://www.usgruntgear.com/custombags.html

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    How about a VTAC handguard? They're a known quantity (read: we know they don't suck), aluminum, not that heavy, you put rails only where you need them. They are about twice the weight, but two things to factor: A) it's still pretty light, just not super light, and B) you don't have to ****ing glue it to your rifle.
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    Carbon fiber handguards don't get glued to the rifle. They get epoxied to the mount that screws down on the barrel nut. Epoxies can be very strong, strong enough to hold together the structure of a Boeing 787.

    Before drilling holes in a carbon fiber handguard, know what you're getting yourself into. The wrong procedure can leave fibers sticking out all over the place and the dust is very irritating to the lungs.

    What's wrong with the VTAC? Same thing with all aluminum handguards- while they do work, it's stone age technology
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    Quote Originally Posted by 13MPG View Post
    Why hope when knowing is much more comforting. I would not take the chance on wasting my money on the Clark handguard. The potential aggravation and downtime of having to deal with returning it would not be worth the slight savings(weight&cost) IMO.

    Since cost appears to be a factor, buying used might be a good way for you to pick up parts for this project without breaking the bank. If you watch the EE can pick up a Daniel Defense handguard for a little more. Sure, it will weigh a bit more but the structural integrity will be there beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    Rob made a very good suggestion by recommending that you go with a LW barrel for your build. There are plenty of people that are using them with no ill effect.

    As IG said it’s your money so do as you wish but in all three of your threads that are centered around your backpack theme people have offered you very solid advice. It just might be wise to give some of it a bit more consideration.

    As far as your pack goes take a look at US Grunt Gear. They make some darn good stuff. Cost could be up there but I think you would have a good chance of getting what you want.
    http://www.usgruntgear.com/custombags.html
    Cost is definitely a factor. However, weight is a very big factor. This rifle will be replacing a Glock as my mountain carry weapon, and I'm trying to do everything I can to save weight. I'm fully aware that a DD, Troy, LaRue, etc. rail would be a stronger fore-end. But they're all at least five ounces heavier than the Clark. In all my searching on google, I have found no instance of them failing. This leads me to believe they're durable.

    I've thought it over, and after a lot of staring at them online and still hating the looks, but realizing the weight savings potential, I've decided yes, I will go with the LW barrel when this build comes together (though I won't be caught dead calling that rifle pretty)

    Also, big thanks for the suggestion of US Grunt gear for my pack.

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