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Thread: Is there a downside to KNS pins?

  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    In your particular situation they are probably needed, not so for others who have a PROPERLY built lower. Which is what most of us have been saying from the beginning.
    The rifle in question is most definitely PROPERLY built. I know this because I shoot about 5k a month through it. When i point it at a target and pull the trigger a hole appears in the target. Therefore the weapon is properly built. I have had this rifle for 6 months with only the occasional malfunction. (due to magazine issues).

    I view AR's as a tool. If it performs its function it is good. Function over form my friend.

    I will agree though that most lowers do not need KNS's. but who really cares. The amount of hate that the KNS procures from the internet experts is almost amazing though. I do not run KNS' on lowers that I buy, Only ones that i dremmel on at some point in the process haha.

  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    It doesn't have to be "field". It could also be in a training class or range training. In which case people are usually waiting for you to clear the issue before they continue or they continue and lose out.
    You also did not address the issue that i see a lot of recommendations for a staked castle nut on here... what if you need to remove and replace your buffer tube during your class... what if, what if, what if. we can what if all day long.

    What if you get struck by lightning while shooting? I propose a lightening rod rail attachment that will ground it out. it connects to the sky the weapon and the ground and has a rubber spacer.

    What if a Bear wanders into your training area looking for food. You can't shoot it, you don't have a permit. I suggest getting a hunting license before going to shoot.

    What if you bring your sister with you and she happens to get her period and has no tampon's... I suggest that we take one of the 57 different battery compartments that are on the weapon and stuff tampons in there just in case.

    what if some idiot at the range has an ND into his own face. I suggest we make a rule that all ranges hire keep on staff a certified brain surgeon just in case we have to dissemble said idiots brain and put it back together quickly so we can continue training.

    If you have a downed rifle that needs to have those pins removed. get off the line!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ares armor View Post

    What if you bring your sister with you and she happens to get her period and has no tampon's... I suggest that we take one of the 57 different battery compartments that are on the weapon and stuff tampons in there just in case.
    that was good stuff

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    A properly built rifle includes an IN SPEC LOWER...thereby not needing the completely useless KNS pins!
    Last edited by ALCOAR; 08-31-11 at 19:03.

  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    A properly built rifle includes an IN SPEC LOWER...thereby not needing the completely useless KNS pins!

    As to your bear hunting analogy, I eat Bunnies, Not Bears.....
    http://www.bunnyranch.com/newsletter...s/CamiSpecial/
    Nothing wrong with eating those bunnies...

    Again though instead of the tampon for the sis bring some doxy for yourself good stuff man.

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    Lol

    Granted we can spin the bottle and play the "what if" game until we realize we are old, gray, and have erectile dysfunction. I think the point of contention is to minimize anything that may cause issue when using said tool. While there are times where certain items may be needed. This isn't the general rule. Less is more, simplicity equates to less shit to deal with. Now while Ares has a point, even done with humor. A staked castle nut has far more benefits being staked than it being un-staked. And while KNS pins may be needed by some lowers, (actual need) not window dressing. This reasoning should mean there should be far more lowers without pins than with pins. No one is hating on them just the majority perhaps has zero need for them. Cheers and God Bless.
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  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRIDENT82 View Post
    A properly built rifle includes an IN SPEC LOWER...thereby not needing the completely useless KNS pins!
    I disagree. a properly built rifle is one that shoots accurately and does not have malfunctions.

    If it throws projectiles at objects you point it at and reliably does this every time that is all that matters.

    If you spend 900 dollars on a weapon that does this or if you dig one out of the ground in the old soviet union that does this it is just dandy.

    Again function over form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ares armor View Post
    You also did not address the issue that i see a lot of recommendations for a staked castle nut on here... what if you need to remove and replace your buffer tube during your class... what if, what if, what if. we can what if all day long.

    What if you get struck by lightning while shooting? I propose a lightening rod rail attachment that will ground it out. it connects to the sky the weapon and the ground and has a rubber spacer.

    What if a Bear wanders into your training area looking for food. You can't shoot it, you don't have a permit. I suggest getting a hunting license before going to shoot.

    What if you bring your sister with you and she happens to get her period and has no tampon's... I suggest that we take one of the 57 different battery compartments that are on the weapon and stuff tampons in there just in case.

    what if some idiot at the range has an ND into his own face. I suggest we make a rule that all ranges hire keep on staff a certified brain surgeon just in case we have to dissemble said idiots brain and put it back together quickly so we can continue training.

    If you have a downed rifle that needs to have those pins removed. get off the line!

    That's pretty silly. Are you done? It's not a matter of internet experts this, or face shooters that. Want to hear some facts? Some pretty hard face shooters say the KNS pins are making something simple, overly complicated. Giving them, at best, a neutral rating. At worst, a "Do-not-waste-money" rating. Some face shooters say "buy whatever the **** you want". Some say "buy them they're great".

    Who cares?

    Point remains that there are some salient points, absent emotion, of why they could be a detraction to your normal activity. They can also do exactly what they claim, which is great. Relax about it, for the love of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAN View Post
    That's pretty silly. Are you done?...

    ...Who cares?
    I am just having a bit of fun and trying to turn this into a joke. i'll be done soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by ares armor View Post
    I am just having a bit of fun and trying to turn this into a joke. i'll be done soon
    I can appreciate that, but let's all be in on the same joke.

    Pick on something like my pistol shooting over 50yds....now THAT's a funny joke.
    "I'm not saying I invented the turtleneck. But I was the first person to realize its potential as a tactical garment. The tactical turtleneck! The... tactleneck! - Sterling Archer"
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    "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important
    than one's fear. The timid presume it is lack of fear that allows the brave to act when the timid do not."

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