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Thread: Does anyone have any tips regarding Pre-Ban Lowers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbackus View Post
    Keep in mind, CA has different tules regarding preban rifles, most are banned by name. It would probably help if you state which state you're moving too(did I miss it?) as each state seems to have slightly different rules.
    It's NY. The "Colt AR-15" is banned by name. I wonder does this apply to Pre-Ban Colt lowers too?

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    I have two pre-ban PWA commando lowers. They are the only ones I will buy. They were also very numerous in their time.

    I flat out refuse to buy anything colt because of their constant PC faggotry.

    They have all different sorts of things to watch out for like sear block, trigger pin size, take down pins and a combination their off.

    More of them are grey than black and don't match new uppers. Tons of them have gay PC names on them.

    None of this is acceptable to me, and I will not support a company that goes above and beyond the AWB with the silly shit it does.


    PWA has gone on to become LMT.

    The PWA lowers have no bullshit features. They are one hole away from a mil-spec lower. They are low shelf and will accept a RDIAS.

    Pricing I paid 895$ for a complete A1 set up in 2007. It had a Heavy 1/12 twist piece of junk barrel. Otherwise it was a stupendous deal and served me well until I dropped a real upper and stock on it.

    In the last few months I bought a complete PWA lower with some junk parts kit on it for 800$. Not as great a deal but I wanted another one and jumped on the opportunity.

    The reality is you are going to be stuck buying a whole gun. Colts, mostly neutered Hbars, go for 1300 all day, don't pay more.

    But like others say its nice to be pre-ban, but you can build some great stuff in post ban configuration.

    My two big musts in this are a Battlecomp (a must to reduce blast) and a pinned MOE stock at the length that works best for you. Then take off the lever on it and it doesn't even look like it was ever meant to telescope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a0cake View Post
    It's NY. The "Colt AR-15" is banned by name. I wonder does this apply to Pre-Ban Colt lowers too?
    No.
    Only those made after September 1994.

    Specifically:
    (e) provided, however, that such term does not include... (insert non-related text and definitions)
    (v) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic
    pistol or any of the weapons defined in paragraph (d) of this
    subdivision lawfully possessed prior to September fourteenth, nineteen
    hundred ninety-four.
    Paragraph (d) as mentioned above is the section that states Colt AR-15 and the other scary guns.

    Regarding post ban compliance and flash hiders.
    True, you can't have them, but you can have a brake or compensator like say a BCM as long as it's permanantly affixed to the barrel by:
    Pin and weld the pin, or
    Weld to the barrel at 4 equadistant points around the joint where brake/compensator meet, or
    Weld all the way around the joint
    Last edited by GTifosi; 09-01-11 at 03:34.

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    Lots of good information in this thread. My $0.02:

    - if you're buying a pre-ban lower (stripped or built), make sure that your deal allows you confirm that it functions, that it can be used to create a complete functioning weapon, and that it is (relatively) unmolested (no obvious paint-overs hiding cracks/hack repairs). There are some "out of spec" lowers out there that need some gentle 'massaging' to mate up correctly to an in-spec upper (easy with the Dremel!). I have not seen any personally, but there are reportedly some out of spec pre-ban lowers that cannot be made to function reliably/correctly, regardless of the quality of the LPK used (this could, of course, be internet rumormongering).

    - re-anodizing damaged / modified / worn lowers has been covered extensively on this site (and elsewhere) - search is your friend here

    - buying complete pre-ban rifles is, arguably, a somewhat "safer" route, but you will of course end up spending substantially more to buy a fully configured, complete weapon, with an upper/barrel/handguard/rail/flash hider combination that (i) is unlikely to be what you would select, given a clean sheet of paper and (ii) probably has very limited resale market value behind the lines.

    - muzzle brakes are, for the most part, quite painful for those around you. I haven't tried/been near a BattleComp, but I've been next to PWS556 brakes (my own and others) on line during training classes, as well as numerous other brakes...they are really obnoxious. For that reason alone, I am moving to pre-bans

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    I have two pre-ban PWA commando lowers. They are the only ones I will buy. They were also very numerous in their time.

    I flat out refuse to buy anything colt because of their constant PC faggotry.

    They have all different sorts of things to watch out for like sear block, trigger pin size, take down pins and a combination their off.

    More of them are grey than black and don't match new uppers. Tons of them have gay PC names on them.

    None of this is acceptable to me, and I will not support a company that goes above and beyond the AWB with the silly shit it does.
    It is $90 to get a sear block milled down by SAW. It looks "factory" after it is done if not better. You can get a preban Colt lower with a pushpin, so your point is bullshit. Gray was the standard during that day. There is nothing wrong with a gray receiver.


    The PWA lowers have no bullshit features.
    Like out of spec magazine wells and cheap type 2 anodizing. I have seen too many PWA lowers with tight magazine wells or dimensional issues between the mag well, mag catch, and bolt catch to recommend them.

    They are one hole away from a mil-spec lower. They are low shelf and will accept a RDIAS.
    Only early PWA lowers can accept a RDIAS.
    Last edited by scottryan; 09-01-11 at 13:42.
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    The only preban lowers I would use would be Colt or Eagle Arms made in Coal Valley, IL.

    The Eagle Arms isn't going to be any cheaper than Colt.

    You can find preban Eagle lowers in both factory black and factory gray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    The only preban lowers I would use would be Colt or Eagle Arms made in Coal Valley, IL.

    The Eagle Arms isn't going to be any cheaper than Colt.

    You can find preban Eagle lowers in both factory black and factory gray.

    Thanks for the tip, Scott. Eagle Arms was a separate entity during the early stages at Coal Valley, correct? Was this before they came to be Armalite's budget brand / parts distributor? Or is my history messed up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a0cake View Post
    Thanks for the tip, Scott. Eagle Arms was a separate entity during the early stages at Coal Valley, correct? Was this before they came to be Armalite's budget brand / parts distributor? Or is my history messed up?

    Yes you are correct. Coal Valley is pre Armalite.
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    Not to derail, but what is the difference between pre-ban and post-ban?

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    The ability to legally have certain features/items installed vs not being able to have certain features/items installed based on which side of the effective date the receiver manufacture took place.

    EG, for NY:
    A pre ban rifle can have a telescopic or folding stock on it legally.
    A post ban with the same item will get you a felony arrest.

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