9 mm Fiocchi 92 gr EMB

[DocGKR]

We had a chance to look at the Fiocchi 92 gr Expansion Mono Block this week; as can be seen, it was less than impressive...

Fiocchi 92 gr Expansion Mono-Block (9EMB) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1315 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
BG: Pen = 12.6", Ave RD = 0.56", Ave RL = 0.54", Ave RW = 93.5 gr
4LD: Pen = 16.1+", Ave RD = 0.36", Ave RL = 0.55", Ave RW = 93.5 gr

Here is a photo showing how full of fail the EMB is, top row is fired into BG, bottom row into 4LD:

[Neville]

In my limited experience, the 5 gramm version of the Hirtenberger (now Fiocchi) EMB expands very well even in clothed gelatine,
whereas the 6 gramm version was castrated in expansion and V0 as required by the German police (to not hurt suspects).

[TiroFijo]

Wow! full of fail is a very accurate description...

[DocGKR]

Even if the EMB works perfectly, it is still problematic. The expanded portion of the EMB is far behind the leading edge of the projectile. The temporary cavity forms at the leading edge of the projectile--in the case of the EMB, at the front of the upright post, much like first generation Hydrashoks with the large thick center posts. Think of the EMB like a Hydrashok on Viagra. The TC forming at the front of the erect post can result in the tissue being stretched away from the expanded jacket at the back of the bullet, thus preventing the expanded bullet edges from touching and cutting tissue. With deforming handgun projectiles, the expanded bullet edges need to be as close to the leading edge of ther projectile as possible for maximum tissue disruption to occur. Unfortunately the EMB fails in every way...

[Augusto]

Any chance to test 9mm Magtech First Defense SCHP??
Weight and velocity are similar...

[Tomac]

Shucks and other comments! Glad to see this kind of hard data on it, do you think the Fiocchi Extrema line loaded w/Hornady XTP's (115, 124 & 147) would fare better?
Tomac

[DocGKR]

No. While the XTP's work well in .44 Mag, they have not performed well in service pistol calibers.

[LHQuattro]

No. While the XTP's work will in .44 Mag, they have not performed well in service pistol calibers.

Is XTP performance typically minimal expansion, with very deep penetration?

Reason I ask is I'm thinking about 200gr XTPs out of a 10mm for use as a woods gun (deer, black bear)

Thanks

[DocGKR]

The service caliber XTP's tend to have inconsistent expansion, especially through heavy clothing and other intermediate barriers.

[tpd223]

Is XTP performance typically minimal expansion, with very deep penetration?

Reason I ask is I'm thinking about 200gr XTPs out of a 10mm for use as a woods gun (deer, black bear)

Thanks

Not to sound like I am contradicting Doc in anyway, but for that mission your choice is fine IMHO.

Deer hardly ever wear heavy clothing, or hide in cars and try to run you down.