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    Putting a carbine buffer and spring into an A2 stock will result in damage to the weapon, and putting a rifle buffer and spring into a carbine receiver extansion will not permit function of the weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Putting a carbine buffer and spring into an A2 stock will result in damage to the weapon
    Could you please elaborate a bit?
    I just came home from a buddy who's bought a "custom built" AR for a company(here in Norway). It's a 16" Wilson barrel with carbine gas system, unknown manufacture upper and a DD BCG. The lower is a DPMS(due to some unfortunate rules here in Norway we can only own DPMS, Bushmaster, old Colts or Stag Arms lowers...) with a DD LPK and a ACE stock. When I was telling him about how to oil up the gun I found a carbine buffer(and a flat coiled spring that I believe to be a Tubbs). I've never ever heard of anyone doing that before, so I decided to search here on M4C when I came home, and found this thread.

    To add to the story - When the gun first arrived in july I found that they've used a rifle barrel extension in a upper with M4 cuts.... Called them and said that that was not acceptable. The shop manager told me to send back the upper, and that they would fix it(unfortunately I did so without checking over the lower properly)
    It took them almost 3 weeks to fix that cause the smith was on vacation, and when I talked to him he said that it really wasn't a problem, but since we complained he would fix in anyways. Since they didn't have any other uppers he had to cut new feedramps in the extension.

    Well, it came back yesterday, and I finally check out the gun properly and oiled it up today. That's when I found the funky buffer configuration, and, to add insult to injury; While inspecting the lower properly I also found that I could switch on the safety when the hammer wasn't cocked... Now this is probably just a adjustment issue with the trigger(a Jard), but it really pissed me off.

    We were going to go shoot the rifle later this week, but now I don't think that's possible...


    Since it was I who suggested that my friend should buy from that company, (cause I've had a few conversations with them and they've sounded like they had the right attitude and thoughts on AR's), I really feel that this is on me.



    Enough of my Livejournal blogging, I think I'll go cut myself a little while I wait for Failure's answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makarov View Post
    Could you please elaborate a bit?
    I just came home from a buddy who's bought a "custom built" AR for a company(here in Norway). It's a 16" Wilson barrel with carbine gas system, unknown manufacture upper and a DD BCG. The lower is a DPMS(due to some unfortunate rules here in Norway we can only own DPMS, Bushmaster, old Colts or Stag Arms lowers...) with a DD LPK and a ACE stock.
    Should be fine with an ACE stock, as I believe (I don't own any) that they are manufactured to work with a carbine buffer and spring. I know that they make a few different lengths, so I would check around and see what buffers and springs ACE says should be in whatever stock he has.

    The problem with sticking a carbine buffer and spring into an A2 stock is that the A2 tube is longer than a carbine receiver extension, and the lack of OAL of the carbine buffer in comparison to the rifle buffer will result in the gas key striking the top of the receiver extension and the lower receiver, causing damage.
    Jack Leuba
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    Maybe I need to work in Norway when I go on R/R?



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    R&R should never be associated with work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Should be fine with an ACE stock, as I believe (I don't own any) that they are manufactured to work with a carbine buffer and spring. I know that they make a few different lengths, so I would check around and see what buffers and springs ACE says should be in whatever stock he has.
    Hmmm, I when I wrote this I was pretty sure that it was the version that uses the existing A2 tube(the ARFX), but now I'm not sure anymore... I don't own any of my own, and all I've seen are the ARFX version. Must check more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    The problem with sticking a carbine buffer and spring into an A2 stock is that the A2 tube is longer than a carbine receiver extension, and the lack of OAL of the carbine buffer in comparison to the rifle buffer will result in the gas key striking the top of the receiver extension and the lower receiver, causing damage.
    So if it's the ARFX version it'll be a problem with the buffer, and I'll have to call the shop again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz
    Maybe I need to work in Norway when I go on R/R?
    We'll there wouldn't be much work, cause there aren't that many rifles needed building, as we're a small country.
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    To a degree you can adjust your buffer system but your limited on what sort of stock setup you have. Use rifle buffers in rifle stocks. Use carbine buffers in carbine stocks. Its just about that simple

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