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    Meplat, I'm not laughing at you at all. I went bezeek when it happened to me. I feel your pain. Be sure and go from the breech to the end when dislodging the patch. Not being a smart ass, google your problem. You're not the first. Hang in there, it'll be ok.

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    Not that you would have known but Otis makes small caliber patches in addition to their regular 3" sized ones. I know the "all caliber" is a bit of an misnomer when there are two different types of "all caliber" patches but the 3" one is for anything that begins with .3x up to 12GA and the smaller ones are for .17 to the .2x range.

    Your barrel will be fine, good luck getting it out. You've stated your piece, but I wouldn't give up on the system just yet...I've made the same mistake you made to a 5.45 rifle but since learning to use and appreciate the system I haven't gone back. I have both patch sizes (actually I've been making my own Otis patches) and I use the appropriate ones for everything from 22LR to 12GA.
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    Alright, after a bit of time and swearing, I got the patch out.
    Bad news is, I can see dark black places in the barrel, and when pulling a normal sized .22 patch through, it reaches a section where it feels like it's all jagged or loose or something.
    Will be trying to take some pictures and have them up in a moment, but I'm thinking the barrel is ruined...

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    Don't assume its ruined until you shoot it.

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    Ive used those patches before, They really are a little tight. I dont follow the directions, I make a nice 360* patch and it works fine, a little tight but I like it like that

    Pick up some new patches at walmart, the Winchester bag, they work good.

    Get a good nylon coated pull rod they work good.

    I would go with the Dowel idea too, youre not gonna hurt the barrel so dont be afraid of it
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    Meplat,

    Please retire the drama queen stuff. Unless your barrel is made from plastic your barrel is probably fine. Go shoot the thing and then get back to us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meplat View Post
    Alright, after a bit of time and swearing, I got the patch out.
    Bad news is, I can see dark black places in the barrel, and when pulling a normal sized .22 patch through, it reaches a section where it feels like it's all jagged or loose or something.
    Will be trying to take some pictures and have them up in a moment, but I'm thinking the barrel is ruined...



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    I've used the Otis system on my AR15s fine with both the regular size patch and the smaller .22 cal specific patch. The smaller the caliber the further to the edge you want to have the slotted tip. Getting stuck in a .223 barrel with the larger patch is not a design flaw. It happens if the patch is not attached correctly, but that is not inherent to the design.

    I also use cleaning rod and Bore Snakes. I got the Otis as a travel kit before I found the Bore Snake. I wanted something to clean my M1 Garand and other closed receiver guns from the breech end first. When I got my PTR91 I bought a German surplus cleaning kit and it is basically an old fashioned version of the Otis, using cord instead of cable. The Otis kit is great for handling multiple calibers in a very compact case. But most of the time now I use the Bore Snake for general cleaning between sessions and the coated rod for more thorough scrubbing periodically, especially when there is any lead or copper fouling the B-S does not remove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCmJUnKie View Post
    Ive used those patches before, They really are a little tight. I dont follow the directions, I make a nice 360* patch and it works fine, a little tight but I like it like that

    Pick up some new patches at walmart, the Winchester bag, they work good.

    Get a good nylon coated pull rod they work good.

    I would go with the Dowel idea too, youre not gonna hurt the barrel so dont be afraid of it
    I'm still going to keep the patches of course, I'll just trim them down to avoid this problem in the future. I'll definitely be picking up a Dewey rod and parts to avoid running into this problem again, though, and I'm still displeased with the company and won't be using their products again.
    I understand the instructions on their patches, and they were followed exactly as illustrated for .22cal and I wound up with this mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Meplat,

    Please retire the drama queen stuff. Unless your barrel is made from plastic your barrel is probably fine. Go shoot the thing and then get back to us.
    I apologize for being upset, I'm just rather displeased at the thought of ruining a new upper and barrel while trying to literally hammer a cleaning rod through it to get the patch out. That's all, I'm sure you and others can relate to the feeling of accidentally ruining something and the frustration. Now that it's out, I ran a bunch of normal solvent soaked patches through it, dried it, and everything appears to be alright, although the area where the patch was stuck seems to have a slightly grainy texture to it. Not sure if this is left over cotton or not, but it probably is.
    I'll hit the range tomorrow and put a few hundred through it and see if anything is wrong.
    Thread over, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meplat View Post
    I'll be the first to admit I've made mistakes, but considering I've been using nothing but the products manufactured by this company to do this, and followed their instructions exactly as they say on their packaging, I can't at all see where you would consider this to be user error.
    Unless the actual pull through snapped, or the brass patch holder failed...it is user error.

    I really like the Otis system. Once you get the feel for how much of a pinch you need to put on the patch for a given bore size, its plain sailing. Rather than say you'll never use it again, why not give it another try....but pay attention to how the patch is going to pull through and only take a very small pinch on it to first run a loose patch until you get the hang of it.
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    dumb question, as I've never used the otis system [though I have looked at them], but couldn't you just substitute the otis patche with a 5.56 specific patch of that is what you know you'll use it for? or does the system force you to use thier patch?

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