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    What Brands to Avoid?

    A few threads here have got me thinking the last few days. M4C is a technical forum and we pride ourselves (most of us) on giving advice or stating a fact and then backing it up with proof.
    What I think would be a good thread, especially to the new comers, would be a thread about what specific brands or parts of a certain brand to avoid AND WHY.
    I would be interested in reading about WHY not to purchase brand X or barrels from brand Y suck because.... but they make decent BCGs.
    I don't want this to be a I hate brand XY because their owner is a D bag. I want to hear some cold hard facts. Who knows, maybe this thread can show the manufactures where they need to step up their game a bit.
    What do you guys think?
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    Olympic Arms, DPMS, Bushmaster, Yankee Hill, Rock River Arms, Les Baer, Model 1 Sales, Blackthorne, High Standard.

    I could go on and on but all of these companies have something in common. A lack of quality control, use of sub standard materials, and a failure to meet, much less exceed, a minimum set of requirements set fourth.

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    great idea

    i think this would be a great idea. i have not made it through all the stickies and treads, but this would definately be one i would be interested in as a newbie to putting together my first gun.

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    UTG/Leaper's

    There are many more, but these brands in particular have failed me.
    Before I knew any better I bought a Leaper's 6x scope and the end caps broke off while it was in the gun case in the back seat of my truck. And after looking through a Trijicon for merely half a second I saw what quality optics are all about.
    I had bought a UTG quad rail one time, and while it did lock up tight and held attachments well, it must have weighed a pound and a half! only being a 7" rail. There are far superior products in this regard as well... A'hem... DD
    And my last mistake was buying a UTG assault vest/rig. It was so cumbersome it was unusable and being a total noob, I could still tell there are better options for nearly the same price. Looking into an Eagle chest rig nowadays...

    That's all I got for now
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    Another way to look at things is that if you buy a "known good" item, you don't have to worry about the rest of what is out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Goodtimes View Post
    Olympic Arms, DPMS, Bushmaster, Yankee Hill, Rock River Arms, Les Baer, Model 1 Sales, Blackthorne, High Standard.

    I could go on and on but all of these companies have something in common. A lack of quality control, use of sub standard materials, and a failure to meet, much less exceed, a minimum set of requirements set fourth.
    I think this about says it, in the end QC is what will set great companies ahead of lesser ones. That and customer service, aswell materials and craftsmanship.

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    BCM, DD, KAC.

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    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickman View Post
    Another way to look at things is that if you buy a "known good" item, you don't have to worry about the rest of what is out there.



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    This is a difficult one. The fine line of pure suck is going to be crossed by every manufacturer at some point in time. Man made... says it all. But, as stated above, QC and a use of the correct materials for the job is a huge factor. Simply put, some are better than others at weeding out the horseshit, and giving a damn about what they produce. Therefore you have a more consistent, high quality product.

    I don't think that I am willing to sling ape feces at any company, unless that's all they are handing out. The usual suspects, and we all know who they are, will show themselves to be what they are. Subpar, unwilling to step up, and/or happy with their current business practices(which are utter failures). The cream of the crop MIGHT have one slip through their fingers, although they are willing to say, I screwed up, my bad, I'll make it good, thanks for your business, we want you to come back.

    That is where I'll be spending my bucks.
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    I hear what you are saying. However, we have had numerous examples posted over the years here as to why.

    Even with pictures and documented proof we still get those who will argue and say "their xxx AR works".

    It would also be a monumental task to try and compile all the info and put into one thread.

    The thread "Oh No I bought a Bushmaster, Stag, etc..." before I knew better had plenty of info.

    Quote Originally Posted by CoryCop25 View Post
    A few threads here have got me thinking the last few days. M4C is a technical forum and we pride ourselves (most of us) on giving advice or stating a fact and then backing it up with proof.
    What I think would be a good thread, especially to the new comers, would be a thread about what specific brands or parts of a certain brand to avoid AND WHY.
    I would be interested in reading about WHY not to purchase brand X or barrels from brand Y suck because.... but they make decent BCGs.
    I don't want this to be a I hate brand XY because their owner is a D bag. I want to hear some cold hard facts. Who knows, maybe this thread can show the manufactures where they need to step up their game a bit.
    What do you guys think?



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