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    S&W M&P 15 - to avoid or not to avoid? I hardly hear much about them. Certainly not as much as DPMS or RR. So are they good? Even though not a Colt or DD.

    IG, please elaborate if you don't mind

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    Sorry in advance if I am misreading the post but doesn't The Chart cover all of the technical differentiators between all the brands?

    It seems as though any questions could be answered if someone was simply willing to invest some time researching the variances and then picking the rifle that best suited their needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPS View Post
    Despite the flak this forum seems to generate when such admissions are posted, I have both a Colt and a DPMS M4, and both perform exactly as they were designed and intended to.

    Contrary to many armchair internet "expert" opinions, the latter will not disintegrate in your hands after 200 rounds.
    Wow, bro...wow.

    Well, you ARE indeed correct in saying "...both perform exactly as they were designed and intended to..." Colt was designed and intended to be used heavily, abused, etc... The DPMS was designed and intended to be a plinker...NOT for use by a gunfighter during serious social intercourse (though some, like yourself, see it that way). But do NOT try to say that they are both the same. It's apples and oranges to me, man.

    I also saw in one of your previous posts that you are a fan of TacStar lights. Please don't tell me you bastardized your Colt by mounting one on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matemike View Post
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    S&W M&P 15 - to avoid or not to avoid? I hardly hear much about them. Certainly not as much as DPMS or RR. So are they good? Even though not a Colt or DD.

    IG, please elaborate if you don't mind
    I purchased an M&P 15T and out of the box it shot well. The carrier/gas key and castle nut were both staked properly. So I went out and bought 2 cans of ammo and shot the piss out of it with no failures to mention. I didn't do to many mag dumps as the barrel was still new and needed to be broken in. After running it hard I decided to change the barrel to an LMT 1/7 CL, BCM BCG and added a T1 all for the accuracy and reliability that those 3 things bring to an AR. Then I took a 3 day carbine class we dropped around 2000 rds and I had 1 or 2 double feeds. Since then I slowly made other minor upgrades to it and thats it. Is it a good AR? some might say no but aftet running it hard and the upgrades I am happy with it. You could get a BCM for cheaper then what it cost me after all upgrades, but I built mine slowly when I had the extra cash. Next is a BCM upper and done with it. Maybe
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    Quote Originally Posted by matemike View Post
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    S&W M&P 15 - to avoid or not to avoid? I hardly hear much about them. Certainly not as much as DPMS or RR. So are they good? Even though not a Colt or DD.

    IG, please elaborate if you don't mind
    Personaly I, and I think many others, consider the M&P 15 to be the minimum acceptable quality AR. As such I have recommended the S&W to many begining to venture into the AR system as the minimum choice.

    I grew up during the time period that BM was considered one of the best available. I had a BM in my safe when I discovered this site and saw first hand the lack of QC; zero staking on the castle nut, nearly non-existant and useless staking on the carrier key, 1/9 twist barrels, extremely heavy and gritty FCG, mis-aligned sight height on their flat top carbines. Initially it was a hard pill to swallow to hear my BM was a POS, however, having one in hand and seeing the above problems quickly convienced me that I truly did have a POS in hand.

    For those individuals that continue to insist their POS carbine is "just as good as", then D Nile isn't just a river in Egypt anymore.

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    The previous version of the "Chart" did just that. It caused sooooo much butt hurt internet wide, people with substandard ARs where jumping out of windows defending their poor selections. The current version is more PC friendly.
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    I NOW own a DDM4 and a 6920, I used a dpms in a basic carbine class about 2-3 years ago and it functioned well without any problems. I was more than 'new' to AR's and 'needed' one for this combined pistol/carbine intro class and for about $700 NIB out the door carbine just figured why not? It worked well for the class, found this site and obtained more info, borrowed a S&W MP for another basic class, it only jammed twice, figured that wasn't 'that' bad, researched a bit more and then picked up my present DD & 6920. Took another class with the DD and did not have a problem or even worried about having failure of any type, it was only about 1000 rds or so, BUT, I was using inexpensive wolf and silver bear ammo at the time, haven't shot much thru the 6920, but will bring it to my next basic class this coming December, hopefully won't have any issues then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d90king View Post
    Sorry in advance if I am misreading the post but doesn't The Chart cover all of the technical differentiators between all the brands?

    It seems as though any questions could be answered if someone was simply willing to invest some time researching the variances and then picking the rifle that best suited their needs.
    The way I read it was that he is not just looking for weapons and manufactures but major parts and their manufactures as well. For instance, the A.R.M.S T1 mount. I was looking at getting a package deal with one until I came here, searched it, and found out it was crap. Now I own a LT 660.
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    I cant remember for the life of me remember where i read the article of the soldier who tested the reliability of the m4 in combat and used a dpms barrel(though he switched to a noveske after he shot out the dpms) and also used dpms buffer and spring, not sure if any other components of this terribly sub standard manufacturer were used. its no doubt some of these manufacturers are lacking in QC but i think the worst thing is they want almost as much for one of their rifles as manufacturers that have great QC, do the various HPT/MPI testing, follow the "TDP" and have desired components i.e. f/a bolt carriers and such

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    These threads never go well for seveal reasons.

    The first main reason is that MOST PEOPLE have experience with ONE or TWO AR's. They also tend to have very low round counts with little to now training school experience.

    The second reason is that most people are married to their purchase. They often suffer from "Malfunction Amnesia" and cannot remember their weapon ever having a problem.


    People would be wise to realize that not all opinions are equal. Meaning that you could have someone like IZGunz (professional armorer) that has seen more guns than 90% of the M4C members VS a guy that owns ONE AR.

    I will stay away from poo-pooing any certain brand and just tell people to buy from KNOWN QUALITY Companies. Some of these companies would be BCM, DD, Colt, KAC, Noveske, LMT, etc.



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