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Thread: What Brands to Avoid?

  1. #181
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    I remember the stingray. When I was a kid I wanted to get into paintball and my parents got me one for christmas first time I went to play it broke down

    Quote Originally Posted by Azpilot View Post
    With respect to retailers selling crappy products (along with the good stuff)...

    Once upon a time, I used to be into paintball in a big way. Mind you, this was some time ago.

    I poured a ton of cash into (what was, at the time) one of the best guns out there...the WGP Autococker. Beyond that, I spent a bunch on modding it with a straight rifled hard-chrome barrel, remote feed with expansion chamber, etc. I did this all at a local shop that carried nice stuff.

    The mouth-breather gun of the day was the "Stingray". It went for 99 bucks, and was a hunk of plastic junk. You'd snicker if you saw someone show up to the field with one.

    My jaw hit the floor one day when I arrived to drop off most of my paycheck at my favorite shop, and I saw a stack of Stingray boxes on the shelf. I looked, incredulously, at the owner, and asked, "what gives? You really selling that crap?"

    He then proceeded to tell me that he knew those guns were total junk. However, he also told me that he got 20 or 30 calls a week (the interwebz weren't so big back then) from people who were asking if he carried the Stingray. When he'd tell them no, theyd thank him, hang up, and most likely never set foot in his shop.

    There wasn't much money in those guns...at 99 bucks, how can there be? However, like the firearm business, the profit was in the accessories...masks, paint, etc. When he'd turn a customer who was hell-bent on buying a crap gun away, he lost -all- of their business. Beyond that, when they realized that they'd bought a crap gun, and wanted to upgrade to a better rig, they'd probably end up doing it at the shop that had "taken care of them" for their initial purchase.

    He hated the fact that he had to keep extra Stingrays on-hand to swap out the (inevitably) broken guns people would bring back in. The company had a decent warranty policy, but they were slow to ship replacements, and it was easier for him to hand customers another replacement and deal with the manufacturer, than to tell them to go direct.

    Initially, I'd been kind of torqued that my favored shop had "sold out". However, that discussion was fairly sobering. Unless you're already independently wealthy, running a business is a for-profit venture. Owners have to act accordingly. If the masses demand crap, becoming a purveyor of crap is profitable.

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    i Agree with Iraqgunz i have a BM that alot of things were missed compared to my colt ,like the staking of the carrier key,castle nut etc. yeah the gun does run fine and i have never had an issue with it. but just there were things that were missed thing that should not be. iwas amazed that the 5.56 marked barrel was reamed at 5.56 straight from bushmaster , not the case in most !!!! and also with a little swap out such as the LPK , and some others im ok and happy with it , Guess this thread was intended as a one stop newbie shop on a what not to buy. and if you do just a info page of what to look for if you want true quality ..

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    Well as for myself,When i was looking at AR/M4 platforms , i checked around and read m4carbine post,ect..and then went to my local gun shop.They had SIG'S,COLT'S,S&W'S,DPMS'S AND LMT'S.I pick'ed the LMT MRP CQB 16" because of the upgrade ability and the fact that LMT makes a good product.Also the LMT felt better than all the others and it seemed just to be made better.And for 1,500$ a good buy.I cannot afford to buy junk because my life and my families may depend on it! This is the only AR i have and if i can ever afford to get another i may try something else. That's why i'm here for ya'll to teach an old dog some new tricks. Thank all of you for all you do for this site and be careful out there!!
    "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
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    a day late and a dollar short

    i bought my first ar 3 years ago dpms ap4 m4. i found out it was the most unreliable gun i've ever shot and then i found this forum and learned so much now my lmt std is my favorite of all my rifles.

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