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    Quote Originally Posted by TXSUT View Post
    Is this whole thread not regurgitation of the same shit that's been discussed ad nauseum on M4C for years, and in a less-organized manner?
    Please read my OP. This was not how I intended this thread to go. I expected a compiled list of products to avoid AND WHY. Something that a new member could reference and not get butt hurt when he/she posted a pic of his/her brand spankin new XYZ brand AR and it gets bashed and they get a bad first impression of this Forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    How do you feel that YOU will benefit from a piston?
    I've never had jamming issues with my m4 from it not being cleaned properly. I understand that general maintenance is reguired. But the piston system is more efficient in my eyes. It would keep the carbon build up to a minimum,especially those harder to reach places.

    I've shot alot of 5.56 in my 7 years in the army. I know that a piston system will have a lot less carbon than a gas operated system. I don't necessarily need one but by getting a piston system would in my opinion keep the wear and tear down.

    I've spent some time in an armament shop and I'm a qualified armour in the army (not at all saying I'm an expert compared to you from what I hear) but I know my way around an my and other weapons.

    To answer your question directly, I guess it wouldn't benifit me all that much. Its just something I've wanted for some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParkisMaximus View Post
    Its just something I've wanted for some time.
    I would recommend just going with this answer.
    At least it's fact-based.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTacoma View Post
    I'll add POF
    Why's that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by munch520 View Post
    Why's that?
    Rifle issues, customer service issues, proprietary parts issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by munch520 View Post
    Why's that?
    Each time I've been in a carbine course where a POF was on the line, it was the first to break, then continued to break, throughout the class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTacoma View Post
    Rifle issues, customer service issues, proprietary parts issues
    Quote Originally Posted by RogerinTPA View Post
    Each time I've been in a carbine course where a POF was on the line, it was the first to break, then continued to break, throughout the class.
    Thanks guys. For the price they want for those I'd be pissed. Not that in this industry price is always indicative of quality...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoryCop25 View Post
    PSA seems to be good to go. They use FN parts. They're a bit too new to give a positive thumbs up just yet. In my opinion.
    In the interests of accuracy, I think you're being a bit too broad here. PSA supposedly uses FN barrels for some of their uppers, but there is no evidence they use any other FN parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    PSA supposedly uses FN barrels for some of their uppers, but there is no evidence they use any other FN parts.

    They do. But the receiver is not FN...all I know is it has an Anchor Harvey forging mark. No idea who took the raw forging from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParkisMaximus View Post
    I've never had jamming issues with my m4 from it not being cleaned properly. I understand that general maintenance is reguired. But the piston system is more efficient in my eyes. It would keep the carbon build up to a minimum,especially those harder to reach places.

    I've shot alot of 5.56 in my 7 years in the army. I know that a piston system will have a lot less carbon than a gas operated system. I don't necessarily need one but by getting a piston system would in my opinion keep the wear and tear down.

    I've spent some time in an armament shop and I'm a qualified armour in the army (not at all saying I'm an expert compared to you from what I hear) but I know my way around an my and other weapons.

    To answer your question directly, I guess it wouldn't benifit me all that much. Its just something I've wanted for some time.
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    I think in order for a piston system to work right you either have to redesign an upper to make it octagonal, with a corresponding bcg, or put rails in the upper. As it stands people are having carrier tilt issues leading to premature wear/failure. ask of the other piston guns that have ben proven or over decades of use such as the FAL, AK, FNC, G3, et cetera all have a rail system to prevent the carrier from axial movement.

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