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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    I wouldn't have a problem at all with it, but I don't think for a second that money is properly used or tracked. That's a lot of tax money and I've never seen a public range range. Maybe the one on post @ Lewis but I don't know if that qualifies. Everywhere else I've been, public ranges have been shut down.

    But we're getting off topic. I think AZpilot nailed it. You can't hold it against a dealer for selling merchandise that the majority wants. The best you can hope for is they sell the cheap AND the good stuff. They need to stay in business so they can offer the good stuff to informed buyers.

    I really have no knowledge of this. I just stated that I know of a lot of public ranges. That was all. At some point, someone has to pay for them. This money DOES come from the FET collected.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Azpilot View Post
    Initially, I'd been kind of torqued that my favored shop had "sold out". However, that discussion was fairly sobering. Unless you're already independently wealthy, running a business is a for-profit venture. Owners have to act accordingly. If the masses demand crap, becoming a purveyor of crap is profitable.
    I got four phone calls today and one walk in. What did they want? Cheap firearms. I don't sell cheap firearms.

    If I had to depend on my local economy, I would have been bankrupt in the first 6 months of opening. Thank GOD for the internet.

    While I have not buckled and started stocking Hi-Points, I can fully understand why some dealers would and do. They are in business to make a living and feed their families. Everything else doesn't matter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    I wouldn't have a problem at all with it, but I don't think for a second that money is properly used or tracked. That's a lot of tax money and I've never seen a public range range. Maybe the one on post @ Lewis but I don't know if that qualifies. Everywhere else I've been, public ranges have been shut down.

    But we're getting off topic. I think AZpilot nailed it. You can't hold it against a dealer for selling merchandise that the majority wants. The best you can hope for is they sell the cheap AND the good stuff. They need to stay in business so they can offer the good stuff to informed buyers.
    http://www.ttb.gov/tax_audit/archive...e_schedule.pdf
    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/i...xcise-tax.html
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    I gotta be honest, I don't know what that document is saying
    ETA, thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    I gotta be honest, I don't know what that document is saying
    ETA, thanks
    It is saying the agenda is to use our tax dollars to build shooting ranges across the country so then they can justify banning shooting on public lands.... it was attempted recently and failed but they will keep trying until they reach their agenda.

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    What is the consensus on an LAR Ops 4 upper? Just curious if this falls into the realms of the DPMS, BM, OA etc.....?

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    My buy list: Colt, BCM, LMT, Noveske, Daniel Defense

    My NOT buy list: Bushmaster, Olympic, Rock River, Spikes, DPMS, Les Baer, LWRC, etc. If it is not on my buy list then its on this list.

    My opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckriser View Post
    What is the consensus on an LAR Ops 4 upper? Just curious if this falls into the realms of the DPMS, BM, OA etc.....?
    Friends brother has one, while he loves guns and has quite a few he dosn't know the terms/do much work on them. He's had it for a few months and the last time he was out something failed(he couldnt name the part and I wasnt there but I assume the buffer) causing the bolt to recoil to far bending the ish out of the side charger bolt handle which threads into the BCG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Most every National Park has one. I know that the majority (to all) of them around me in Ohio have them.


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    Grant is incorrect. There are no public shooting ranges or facilities in any National Park. It is illegal to discharge a firearm in a National Park. There are certain National Park units(National Recreation Areas, National Preserves) that allow limited hunting, but target shooting is not allowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    BCM, DD, KAC.

    You'll have so much fun shooting them, you'll forget you have a wife, and kids.
    How can I forget them when they are right next to me on the firing line?

    I won't ever be 'going to war,' and my #1 SD weapon is my .45 ACP (Why? Because I'm most comfortable, confident, and accurate with it,) but when I buy something, even just 'for hobby use,' I want something of known high quality. I bought a YHM lite rail for my LE6920, based on a friend's recommendation and his experiences with their gear. I had absolutely no problems with it, rails were all in spec, etc.

    HOWEVER, I then bought a used BCM upper with a DD RIS II on it. That is where I saw the chasm between 'no problems to speak of' and 'professional quality.' Is the RIS II worth 3x the price of the YHM? IMO, if you are going to be wrapping your hands around this thing for years, yes. The mounting design is superior in how secure it is, how much less likely turning the unit loose with VFG torque is, the diameter, the fit and finish, and just overall how it feels in your hands. The YHM is in a box of spare parts, a Centurion C4 is what is mounted on the 6920 now.

    So, in the end, it's not necessarily that some brands have to be complete junk (and I know others have had worse experiences on a broader scale with YHM than my small sample size, no argument there) to not be 'upper tier,' but at the very very least, the devil is in the details. It's what separates 'ok' from 'great.' Personally, I won't be able to go back from DD, Colt, Centurion, etc. rifles and parts. Especially when the cost differences are often negligible.

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