The WORST ARs I've seen are from OLYMPIC ARMS and LWRCi.
I've seen bad guns from other makers... but not in the volume of the previously mentioned two.
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The WORST ARs I've seen are from OLYMPIC ARMS and LWRCi.
I've seen bad guns from other makers... but not in the volume of the previously mentioned two.
"You people have too much time on your hands." - scottryan
Like jhs1969 and MSteele said... they're built properly. The downsides you might see are the BCG (non-FA) and the barrel (4140 steel, 1/9 twist), but that's to be expected in a cheaper rifle. I picked an OR up so I could shoot while I spent a few months getting the parts for my build. After 1k rounds I decided to keep it as a backup rifle.
The MOE/OR models can be found for $750-800 at the right places and I believe S&W still offers a $100 LEO/military rebate. The T/X/VTAC (VTAC comes in 1/7 twist, not sure about the other two) models that cost $1100-1600 are a little overpriced for what they are imho. You're better off building your own or looking elsewhere at that point.
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Proven combat techniques may not be flashy and may require a bit more physical effort on the part of the shooter. Further, they may not win competition matches, but they will help ensure your survival in a shooting or gunfight on the street. ~ Paul Howe
Nothing bothers me more than people with limited experience and absolutely no training swearing that certain products are the best thing and better than all the other products they've never even handled then bashing products they've never even seen in person.
There's a member or two here with a high post count that do that constantly then you get some new AR owner thinking this guy actually knows what he's talking about.
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king... Or something like that.
I know what works for me and I know what doesn't. I have no clue what will work for the next guy... nor do I care for the most part.
Proven combat techniques may not be flashy and may require a bit more physical effort on the part of the shooter. Further, they may not win competition matches, but they will help ensure your survival in a shooting or gunfight on the street. ~ Paul Howe
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Is that really what you want to say here on your 5th post? Really? I suspect lane correction incoming...
If that's all you put through them per year, and it's something you may plink at the range with, differences may or may not show themselves.
I have a BM that has never been anything but reliable, but it's not a hard use gun, and I'd trade it in quickly and purchase something else if it was going to be a truly hard use gun.
Add some zeros to that figure, beat on it in austere conditions, etc, and some brands generally do far better then others, and that's well documented by the BTDT types who post here and other places.
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“Those who do not view armed self defense as a basic human right, ignore the mass graves of those who died on their knees at the hands of tyrants.”
With all due respect to everyone, if you're someone that owns a brand X rifle and you're comfortable staking your life on it, rock on. What does it matter what everyone else thinks? The one thing I would say is be honest with yourself. If you have to justify any gun to yourself by saying things like I'll never have to depend on it in a harsh environment or under harsh conditions, then maybe it was the wrong choice. Run it hard a few times, then make an honest assessment for yourself.
For someone looking to buy for the first time; it's hard to beat Daniel Defense, BCM, LMT or Colt. If you look around, you can get one of the above for around $1100.00 or $1200.00. Vickers and Defoor use DD, I think Falla uses LMT and countless others use BCM and Colt in harsh settings. My opinion is just that; mine, but it's hard to disregard guys that have that much experience.
If you own a gun that many here talk down about, don't take it personal.
If you are comfortable using your sample of one gun to protect your life or the lives of others, then have at it.
If you're intended purpose for your gun is as a recreational gun, and/or to bring out at family functions to scare your liberal mother in law (there's absolutely nothing wrong with that), then almost any gun will work.
If you are a first time buyer, I'd spend less time worrying about which brands to avoid, and more time looking at which brands are good to go.
I think we are in a golden period for the consumer of AR's. There are several good brands currently. They are all comparatively priced with each other, and the availability is there.
I know this post isn't along the lines of the intent of this thread. But too many people get their panties in a bunch if you politely suggest they spent their hard earned money on a product that is substandard. Especially when you mention a quality alternative would have cost about the same amount as they spent.
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