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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    The WORST ARs I've seen are from OLYMPIC ARMS and LWRCi.

    I've seen bad guns from other makers... but not in the volume of the previously mentioned two.
    I know an instructor who teaches for the state and a large city PD, his duty AR15 was an Olympic Arms. He taught with that weapon, carried it on duty, and trained with it for years. This is a guy on a large tac team (MP5 guy) with a lot of trigger time. His experiences with OA were that the weapon was fantastic, highly accurate, and very reliable.

    I think that as Grant and other have suggested multiple times in the past is that most people are lacking in the ability to observe large amounts of manufacturers AR15s over time. I've seen a couple OA ARs that appear to be perfection over long term use, but that isn't the norm.


    Does DPMS make a great weapon? I think we could all say without fail that they have, but the larger question becomes what the numbers come out to in the larger picture. Colt and every other upper end manufacturer has problem weapons leave the factory, but its not often.

    For people who answer these posts, it would be most helpful to know the background of the weapons and total amount they are referring to, along with the context to avoid generic internet folklore.
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    Great comments Grant and Trash. There are a ton of factors leading to what people purchase. Another friend of mine just purchased a Bushmaster, even after speaking with me! I don't hold it against him, because he didn't want to spend more money and is just going to use it for varmint hunting. He a hunter, not a big time gun guy. His choice, not mine.

    Everybody has different ideas, wants and needs, and of course money. No one, however, should be taken over by the Stockholm Syndrome by any purchase they have made, of any kind. Buy what you want, but don't delude yourself and dismiss information from those who truly know the facts. When we try to defend the indefensible we don't end up looking very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Who is they? FYI- They were being used by private contractors. Simply because those who made the purchases don't have any idea what the difference is as they all look the same.

    And of course there was the price factor as well.
    I figured it was a private contractor since you said you were on contract.

    And by "they" I meant anybody. I didn't think anyone would take BM or DPMS overseas. I guess I worded that wrong. And I guess that kinda makes sense if the people ordering them don't do any research.

    And I understand there is always a price factor but you'd think they would want a little more quality for people fighting in Iraq.
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    As seems par for the course around here, all the chest thumping mob mentality sorts have chosen to collectively unleash themselves on any differing opinion. Unfortunately this site is notorious for this sort of behavior. Those that took personally the armchair expert comment must have IDed themselves, and know who they truly are, because no one was mentioned by name.

    There is no mention of my years of experience as a gun collector, military service, or day to day use of firearms of all varieties, however a stereotype of my character has already been erroneously extrapolated from a few sentences vicariously. Precisely the point I intended to make.

    To answer a few questions for the hell of it, the DPMS was purchased WELL AFTER the 3 AR Colts in my possession (one being an M4 as it relates to this forum) and intended for plinking.

    The TacStar light was mounted on the DPMS for what it is worth, and that thread dealt with ultra low cost flashlight options that still function, for which this recommendation fits the bill.

    The 200 rounds=failure of the gun quote is lifted from one of the disparaging comments I am siting. I have in fact put well over 2600 rounds through that gun, with no problems. I can't be held liable for those who delight in taking comments out of context to further their agenda.

    And with that, I'll be moving on.

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    The only thing that keeps me shaking my head at this whole thing is that for bit extra, a fraction of the overall cost one can purchase an exponentially better rifle.

    The same people balking at spending that bit of extra money won't flinch then spending that same amount, which they perceive as "saved", or "good deal", on all the bullshit attachments etc., without ever having shot it but thinking this is what's needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loganp0916 View Post
    I figured it was a private contractor since you said you were on contract.

    And by "they" I meant anybody. I didn't think anyone would take BM or DPMS overseas. I guess I worded that wrong. And I guess that kinda makes sense if the people ordering them don't do any research.

    And I understand there is always a price factor but you'd think they would want a little more quality for people fighting in Iraq.
    There was a guy on Arfcom raving about how awesome his Delton was...he was in AFG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPS View Post
    As seems par for the course around here, all the chest thumping mob mentality sorts have chosen to collectively unleash themselves on any differing opinion. Unfortunately this site is notorious for this sort of behavior. Those that took personally the armchair expert comment must have IDed themselves, and know who they truly are, because no one was mentioned by name.
    I think you opened yourself up to comments when you said "Armchair Experts."

    If you would have just said, "Hey I have a Colt and DPMS and both work for me." No one would have said a word to you.

    Don't instigate a fight if you don't want one.

    To answer a few questions for the hell of it, the DPMS was purchased WELL AFTER the 3 AR Colts in my possession (one being an M4 as it relates to this forum) and intended for plinking.

    The TacStar light was mounted on the DPMS for what it is worth, and that thread dealt with ultra low cost flashlight options that still function, for which this recommendation fits the bill.

    The 200 rounds=failure of the gun quote is lifted from one of the disparaging comments I am siting. I have in fact put well over 2600 rounds through that gun, with no problems. I can't be held liable for those who delight in taking comments out of context to further their agenda.

    And with that, I'll be moving on.
    I could care less what AR you like. If you enjoy your DPMS, then great. Just never attempt to blow sunshine up our skirts and tell us the DPMS and Colt are equals (as they are not).

    When listing round counts as a justification for a reliable weapon, it is always a good idea to list how long you have owned said weapon and if any of those rounds were fired in training classes.

    I have personally witnessed just about every brand of gun running well (Oly, DPMS, BM, RRA, Hi-Point, etc). When evaluating a weapons reliability, we consider the law of averages. Meaning that if we took 100 rifles and shot them all the same, how many would run well?



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    Quote Originally Posted by MPS View Post
    I have in fact put well over 2600 rounds through that gun, with no problems.
    I'm low speed high drag, not a true AR guy (spend most of my time trying not to suck with a hand gun...) and I have done that at a course. Others here probably do that per month not to mention big sample sizes of groups they work with/for.

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    And with that, I'll be moving on.
    No objections here. Good luck.
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    When someone prefaces their recommendation with "not going to war" I know the performance of the rifle they are referring to is substandard. The ability for a rifle to withstand the rigors of war is normal, not something extraordinary.

    Iraqguns has shown an impressive level of experience and knowledge with ARs and AKs. When he posts, I always pay attention to what he says. In that way, while my own experience with ARs is but a drop in the bucket in comparison (and non-existent with AKs), I've learned much from IG (and others) on this site
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    MPS,

    Whether or not you choose to respond, I care not. Now you are acting exactly like other "stereotypical" posters of your ilk.

    When confronted about your claims and when it is mentioned that your sample size is small you then go on the "offensive" and skirt around the issue as you have done here. When others point out the shortcomings and mention any facts you simply dismiss them.

    So if you want to believe that your DPMS is great then I am happy for you. Sell your Colts as they are obviously excess and buy some DPMS goodness.

    But, if you think for one second I am going to let you come here and tell everyone that it is good to go or it is equal to the other KNOWN manufacturers of quality AR's then you must be smoking something.

    Not everyone here is a cop, military member, contractor, secret squirrel or whatever. But, many take their weapons seriously and knowingly choose to use the AR as their weapon of choice. That being the case many choose not to purchase crap and to that end if I can guide them down the righteous path then I will do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by MPS View Post
    As seems par for the course around here, all the chest thumping mob mentality sorts have chosen to collectively unleash themselves on any differing opinion. Unfortunately this site is notorious for this sort of behavior. Those that took personally the armchair expert comment must have IDed themselves, and know who they truly are, because no one was mentioned by name.

    There is no mention of my years of experience as a gun collector, military service, or day to day use of firearms of all varieties, however a stereotype of my character has already been erroneously extrapolated from a few sentences vicariously. Precisely the point I intended to make.

    To answer a few questions for the hell of it, the DPMS was purchased WELL AFTER the 3 AR Colts in my possession (one being an M4 as it relates to this forum) and intended for plinking.

    The TacStar light was mounted on the DPMS for what it is worth, and that thread dealt with ultra low cost flashlight options that still function, for which this recommendation fits the bill.

    The 200 rounds=failure of the gun quote is lifted from one of the disparaging comments I am siting. I have in fact put well over 2600 rounds through that gun, with no problems. I can't be held liable for those who delight in taking comments out of context to further their agenda.

    And with that, I'll be moving on.



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