View Poll Results: What Lube do you use?

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  • Break Free/CLP

    78 36.28%
  • Slip 2000

    55 25.58%
  • Rem Oil

    8 3.72%
  • Formula 3

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  • Other

    74 34.42%
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Thread: What Lube do you use

  1. #41
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    10-8 lube for everything.
    SLG Defense 07/02 FFL/SOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    WS is supposed to be better than BF CLP in every way. All I know is it rusts worse than CLP, I can't test lubricity though. FEELS the same to me. I talked via e-mail with George about it and have decided that BF LP and RIG+P grease will suit me better. Try it though, I think it is better for lubricity than BF CLP, just b/c FP10 is and he is 1-upping FP10 supposedly.
    What do you base the "it rusts worse than CLP" comment from? I know there is a couple of very informal tests floating around the net but I would like to see something more scientific than a backyard test. It cleans pretty well, it lubes pretty well as for rust I HOPE it works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhs1969 View Post
    Militec oil and Tetra grease.

    I've used Tetra grease for years and still like it. I grease the cam pin and BC.
    I would be glad to try a different (read; better) grease. Any suggestions?
    See my prior post and link on the 2nd page for Mad Dog XF-7.

    Tack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shihan View Post
    What do you base the "it rusts worse than CLP" comment from? I know there is a couple of very informal tests floating around the net but I would like to see something more scientific than a backyard test. It cleans pretty well, it lubes pretty well as for rust I HOPE it works!
    Shihan...

    Many moons ago there was a very good corrosion test done on the TOS by one of their members. I don't recall the results for CLP (but it wasn't good), but Militec and Tetra were the worst! This was before "Weapon Shield" was on the market.

    If you want the ultimate (and I have done some of my own corrosion studies for corrosion resistance on BF CLP, FP-10, Militec, Tetra Grease, and MD XF-7), you should try and test the MD XF-7 grease with a coat of Machine Gunners Lube, SLIP, or even CLP on top of it.

    Just take steel nails, coat them with each product, dump them in a container with Water and a few tablespoons of salt and watch the progress over 48 hours.

    You can see my post and the link to MD XF-7 in my prior post. They have the test they have performed there. Also see the reliability that I have reported on with my MRP upper that has run the XF-7 with a top coat of CLP (now Machine Gunners Lube) for 6800 rounds without a single failure.

    On top of this....everything wipes clean!

    Tack

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    Tack, I should have said that I still use the original FP-10 and the product that is similar but said to be improved that is called Weapon Shield. The product that is now called FP-10 is not what I am using.

    Both of these products are from George Fennell as you stated. Here is a quote from an introduction to the free offer he made to the members over at
    TFL on 6 July of this year. (2007)
    Alot of you folks know me but I've been gone for the last 3 years. Most of you who do, know that I am the inventor of FP-10 and former Tech Director of MPC. That's all history. Without going into detail, I left MPC in the summer of 2004 via a hostile take over and formed Steel Shield Technologies, Inc. 2 years ago. I've been low profile due to legal reasons but thats all over as well. I'd like to give you some facts:

    1. FP-10 is NOT my product anymore. When I left, things changed...and so did many of the products including the FP-10. In the last 2 years, many people have contacted me expressing their concerns that it "...didn't work like it used to". My only response was that I had no control over it or the company since '04 and assured everyone that there is an alternative that works even better than my old FP10 or any other product out there of the same or similar nature...that is "Steel Shield Weapon Shield CLP".

    2. Not only did we bring back the past performance and quality of my original FP-10, but we took it to a new level, increasing it's corrosion protection even more as well as it's outstanding ability to lubricate and clean without the use of solvents, volatiles, along with being non-toxic and environmentally friendly.
    Anyway, the FP-10 of today is not the same thing we were using when George introduced it.

    Hank

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Metal View Post
    I like the weapons shield and plan on ordering more. I love that cinnamon smell.
    My bottle of Weapon Shield doesn't smell like cinnamon.

    I find the weapon shield a great CLP BTW!

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    both George Fennel(weaponshield) and Greg Conner(slip2000)
    offered us m4carbine.net citizens a free sample of their products.

    with this chance to do some first hand testing of supposedly state of the art
    weapons lubrication, what's not to like?

    it was the middle of august, and the delivery of the weaponshield sample just happened to arrive here first, (within the week) so i began using it first. on just about everything. this is a bit of my observations i wrote at the time. my part of the bargain so to speak...

    ...the weapon shield arrived
    a few days after we exchanged
    e-mails.

    the weather was perfect for trying
    out a protective product.
    temperature in the 90's with
    high humidity and intermittant thunderstorms.

    previous maintenance was done with
    break free clp and superlube synhthetic grease.
    one day of handling and carry in leather usually
    showed signs of surface rust on colt 1911's.

    weapon shield was used as a cleaner and rust remover
    using a very small drop or two and a small wad of
    shop towel rust was lifted off with light rubbing.
    a few more very small drops coated the entire weapon
    with a light film showing good capillary action. i.e. the
    weaponshield wicks itself right into every crevice.(under
    the sights and mainspring channels) for this test, the super lube
    grease was left in place on the rails, link, and lockwork,
    to evaluate compatibility between it and the weaponshield.

    daily handling and use of these weapons in this forest enviroment
    shows no signs of rust in the expected places (like with the clp)
    such as the grip saftey, mainspring housing area,slide serrations, and
    grip frame trigger bevel.

    weaponshield as protectant? pretty good so far. that treatment has
    protected carbon steel for about two weeks now whereas the clp would
    be good for maybe one day or two.

    it does not seem to dissolve the synthetic grease(super lube) that was in place prior
    to this initial application. a full detail strip will tell if the grease is degraded
    by the weaponshield.

    on an AFCK made of titanium,M2tool steel, and G10, weaponshield was
    used as the cleaner for a complete detail strip. appears compatible with G10
    keeps the M2 blade edge bright even after cutting wet rope and vegetation.......

    the e-mails were replied to the same day by both George and Greg
    the sample pack from slip 2000 just took a bit longer to arrive from across the country. more results concerning the slip200 are being compiled.(Greg sent a full set of products...carbon killer...degreaser...and slip2000 lube)

    a fair test of first hand experience with the new stuff compared to things used for years , in my case, -breakfree clp,- g-96 spraycan , and -superlube synthetic grease.
    daily use and handling, 90 days, change of seasons, and now hunting seasons ....more to come...

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    I've always wondered about the validity of those backyard tests. The steels used are vastly different than weapons-grade steels and the addition of the salt water doesn't really mimic real world conditions, at least for about 99% of the readers on this board.

    I'm not in the habit of storing my weapon in a salt spray humidity cabinet after I clean and lube it. I'll concede that it's an "acid test", but it doesn't really lend any insight into whether or not a protetcant is adequate for real world applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmart View Post
    I've always wondered about the validity of those backyard tests. The steels used are vastly different than weapons-grade steels and the addition of the salt water doesn't really mimic real world conditions, at least for about 99% of the readers on this board.
    Amen brother. I've always felt the same way. One test is worth a thousand theories. But, it's still just a test and rarely the "same thing."

    Joe Mamma
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROSS4712 View Post
    I make my own lube and so far it has been the best for lubricating, rust prevention and break down of the high carbon build up on the bolt and rings.

    I got the mix from a Force Recon buddy of mine while at a Spartan Tactical school taught by Jim Smith.

    It is 2/3 diesel oil (rotel or delo 400 etc)
    and 1/3 ATF (tranny fluid)

    We have used it on our swat issued commandos full auto and that stuff will not fly off or dry up. It hangs on for the ride and cuts down the carbon build up from the detergents in the diesel oil. He said they used to use it on all the crew served weapons and never had any problems with it what so ever. Its all I use and a lot of other officers at my PD are now making their own also. I have used just about everything and this works the best in my opinion.

    Just FYI here is another mix for Ed's Red bore cleaner.....

    1 QT - ATF
    1 QT - Mineral Spirits
    1 QT - Acetone
    1 QT - Kerosine (do not use alternate or camping fuel...its not the same)

    This stuff makes a gallon a batch and will last you forever. I put it and the Recon mix in industrial plastic plant/household sprayers for heavy use at the range with big classes and after a year still have about a 1/4 gallon left.

    I only use the recon mix for the internal moving parts and lube. If I need something a little heavier like on my Glock during a lot of high round count firing (3000+) I'll put standard lithium grease on the slide rails and connector to keep it running without cleaning it for 4-5 days. For protecting the surfaces of my firearms I use something with teflon like CLP or Rem Oil in a spray can and give it a light coat then wipe it clean.
    Thats the Lube I use. I got it from you at Tiger Valley earlyier this year.

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