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    Price hiking and quality lies.

    I have been now active for 2 years now of owning a AR, but shooting much longer then that in youth and continuing military service, so far in the recesses of what have been a positive experience it never ceases to amaze me the most disgusting part of this culture is the utter price hike on nomenclature for rifles.

    I cannot vouch for polymer grips such as TangoDown at 60USD HA!! or so called name brand so and so and how there products are worth the high end price tag which Daniel Defense is known for.

    I think the biggest crooks on this tend to be the Flip up Iron sights... *100 dollars a piece NOT EVEN A SET!! and Aimpoint on there Microdot T1.. $633USD really... really $633 USD... :-/

    Dont even get me started on the whole next gen rifle systems.. ACRs 2300 to 2600 that cant even really see an advantage over the AR thats almost 1200 USD less which they are not considering the standard consumer market. But im not here to get off topic..

    What almost is even more scary is if the military touches it and adopts it, this is gold standard and if anything else typically comes along to compete against it, it must be crap or begs to be questioned on its durability until proven and every arm chair ranger will vouch against a product that has not been military adopted, not saying all that they adopt is bad but if another brand name makes something similar it must be bad until proven...

    So what does a company do, say like BCM gets a article in some magazine that shows how great there product is with merit the 30k dirty rifle, now we have a standard if you build a rifle this way and spend this much youll get this quality and what do they do with every purchase from BCM I get this article flyer.. :-/

    However the novel idea with this niche is now that were known not to make crap lets charge a ridiculous amount of cash for the product the consumer will want and never lower the price on the product because people will pay for what the military uses in a nice lil cloned packaged.

    I think that I must give credit where credit is do and merit for what has been proven in combat and test after test in real life missions.

    But I grow tired of the over priced items and seeing catalogs after catalog of online vendors over charging the consumer end way overpriced products that dont hold a value to the price they are offering.

    Really I have to say its been the biggest turn off of shooting, that the name brand companies are producing a market of high dollar products and the mind set the rifle community must buy into..
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    Was there some point to be made here? Maybe I missed it. Seems like some after drinking too much rant.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Was there some point to be made here? Maybe I missed it. Seems like some after drinking too much rant.
    The question is as the consumer are you willing to pay higher prices for nomenclature that really doesn't meet the cost or are you ok with continuing to pay the higher prices.

    Maybe let me put it in simple terms. Its kinda like bullet costs these days. Really does it need to be that high for what your getting.
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    Sounds like the individual has a problem with companies who produce stuff to mil-spec and then supposedly charge an arm and a leg for it. I hope this isn't what he's getting at, because BCM certainly does not charge that much for the quality of the product you're getting.

    Also, I'm not a grammar Nazi or anything, but after reading that I have to say that I've grown more sympathetic to their cause. My head hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    Sounds like the individual has a problem with companies who produce stuff to mil-spec and then supposedly charge an arm and a leg for it. I hope this isn't what he's getting at, because BCM certainly does not charge that much for the quality of the product you're getting.

    Also, I'm not a grammar Nazi or anything, but after reading that I have to say that I've grown more sympathetic to their cause. My head hurts.
    Its a hard pill to swallow im sure, but a lot of what is out there does not meet the high value for the price your paying for it, I am sorry you feel that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyman View Post
    but a lot of what is out there does not meet the high value for the price your paying for it,
    This is purely subjective. How do you justify substandard manufacturers like Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA, etc charging what they do for their tripe?

    Do you have specific examples of the "lies" the manufacturers you listed have supposedly told? I'm at a loss to understand the purpose of your post.

    I have no qualms paying for a quality weapon, and understand why I can't buy a Noveske or KAC for $599.
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    Please enlighten us as to your exhaustive testing that invalidated these manufacturers claims that mil spec isn't worth the up charge over cheaper prices from lower tier manufacturers.

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    The funny thing is... most gun shops are still charging anywhere from $900-$1100 for bushmaster, oly, rra, dpms, etc. You'll see a colt for $1300-$1400. Funny thing is, if you'll look around and crawl out of the rear end of these little novelty gift shops, you'd actually be enlightened. Grant has colts for under $1k right now. I see brand new Daniel Defense rifles going for less then what your rag shop is charging for a bushmaster. Honestly, I think you're crazy and, as Gunz suggested, possibly intoxicated. Even IF you could get an appropriately priced lower tier weapon say, in the $500-$600 range, wouldn't you rather just save that little extra for the piece of mind? Also... it has nothing to dowith the .mil adopting anything. We all know some of the things they've adopted and many of us wouldn't touch some of them with a ten foot pole. It has to do with the qc procedures and the SUPERIOR materials being used. Read. Think. Learn grammar. Post.
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    Thank you for the enlightening post but I don't think the word nomenclature means what you think it means.
    You're free to buy whatever you want. If higher stuff costs too much for you then don't buy it. However $1000 or so for a Colt, BCM, or DD hardly seems like a ripoff to me. With regards to Aimpoint what do you recommend as a cost effective alternative? What else compares to a T1 or CompM4? The patrol optic is like $400, is that too much to spend on a rugged optic with a battery life measured in years? What's your theory on why the military buys such overpriced kit if cheaper alternatives exist that will meet the performance requirements?

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    This is ridiculous.
    It's economics 101: Supply and demand. It's worth exactly what someone will pay for it, and that's what the asking price is going to be.

    Unless you personally design, test, manufacture, market, and sell any item, you have no idea what is necessary income per unit to keep yourself in business. It's called profit margin.

    Really, do some research.
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