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Thread: Is there better than "Mil-Spec?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Why couldn't they do simple shit like stake castle nuts and carrier keys? Why didn't they change their gas ports and chambers? Commercial lower receiver extensions- please!

    What sets apart certain companies from others is that they give a shit and they truly are committed to producing a good weapon. They did their homework and they understand what it takes to make it work. They also realized that cutting corners will lead you nowhere.
    Put that way, I understand and agree with the statement of added value. I can see where some companies put in extra effort (specification of tolerances, inspection, selection of materials, and process, after sales support, etc.). That is worth paying for. Otherwise, why would staking a castle nut or carrier key be valuable to me? I can do those myself.

    I'm just lost on how anyone is judging a component to be above the TDP when it is a controlled document.

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    Since we're talking about the TDP and all,

    Does "The TDP" cover all of the small arms the USG buys and FN has it because of things like the 240? Or is it specific to the M16/M4? If so, what hand does FN have in those weapons?

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    Do you want the kind and gentle version or me being an ass version?

    It's not rocket science. There is PLENTY of information out there on what it takes. Everyone knows the barrel steel, bolt steel, finish, etc... etc...

    Not to mention I can guarantee that they have spent money researching what port sizes work the best, etc... etc..

    Imagine for a minute how different the AR world would be if a company like BM had went to 1/7 twist, improved their QA/QC, and spent the extra money on HP/MPI testing. People would have probably overlooked the staking issues.

    But, when one looks deeper and adds it all up then the picture goes from looking like Van Gogh to one of my fingerpaintings after a night of drinking with JDaniels.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frac View Post
    Put that way, I understand and agree with the statement of added value. I can see where some companies put in extra effort (specification of tolerances, inspection, selection of materials, and process, after sales support, etc.). That is worth paying for. Otherwise, why would staking a castle nut or carrier key be valuable to me? I can do those myself.

    I'm just lost on how anyone is judging a component to be above the TDP when it is a controlled document.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Frac View Post
    Grant, you're a great resource to us and I've always had good dealings with your shop. I own BCM gear and love it. So, no agenda here other than trying to understand. Educate this consumer please... How does he pay attention to a standard that he doesn't have?
    He is a very smart guy.


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    Thanks for the post, Grant.
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    Is there better than "Mil-Spec?"
    I think there is by virtue of the fact that the Mil-Spec is the Military's Specification. Unless your specification coincides with what the military wants then the Mil-Spec isn't all that useful is it? We don't all drive HMMWV's or carry M9's for the same reason; they don't always meet our personal specifications (Per-Spec). If you don’t know enough about the product to be able to devise your own Per-Spec, then you’re probably better off going off of a knowledgeable person’s recommendation… even if it is the DOD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    One has to wonder how companies like DPMS and some of the others can stay in business.
    It's simple really; they meed a need/demand and their customers are generally happy especially at their price point. If a DPMS goes 500 MRBF but the shooter only shoots 400 rounds a year shooting at dirt clods what incentive is there to buy a gun that goes 5000 at additional cost?

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    Price is not the only factor. Companies like DPMS also do a lot of marketing and promotion. You can't watch a show on some of the outdoor channels witout seeing an ad for DPMS.

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    Price is not the only factor. Companies like DPMS also do a lot of marketing and promotion. You can't watch a show on some of the outdoor channels witout seeing an ad for DPMS.
    This!


    I puke in my mouth every time I see these ads. In fact maybe I should be checked for acid reflux... It's even worse at the gun shows, but you all are already aware of that...

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    I also think that "Modern Rifle Adventures" and "Guns and Ammo TV" are nothing but infomercials for DPMS.

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