I vote this thread as a "sticky" or at least added to the "knowledge base threads".
Thanks Grant, thanks for the info and thanks for the great CS you have given.
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I vote this thread as a "sticky" or at least added to the "knowledge base threads".
Thanks Grant, thanks for the info and thanks for the great CS you have given.
Maybe creation of the midlength was a way to sell more guns in a different configuration, a marketing tool, colt doesn't need to utilize this as a marketing tool they already had the name an the quality to back it up.
The mid lenght do have a different feel for a carbine. Just my two cents.
Whether they do or not, like IraqGunz said, it's what those manufacturers do with the information that matters.
If we—as IG specified—say for discussion sake that every AR manufacturer has seen the full TDP at some point, why do some of them stake castle nuts while others (still, in 2011) don't? Why do some use MIM parts and some don't? It's not a secret which is better. Or correct.
It comes down to the companies who are smart, understand the intricacies of the weapon system, and in the end, the companies who actually give a damn about the end-user.
Last edited by C4IGrant; 09-09-11 at 09:46.
Totally agree.
This is the norm though (not better products).Deviation from standards due to cost cutting (use of inferior steel, failure to stake components, inferior components) shouldn't be confused with the efforts of companies like KAC and HK to build a better lightbulb.
Just as an FYI, lots .Mil groups that are using the 416 are dumping them (some Tier 1 guys on this forum can comment further on it if they like). So no, the 416 really isn't the next evolution.Personally, I don't see any great revolution on the horizon in terms of lethality, accuracy, reliability or ergonomics. I think the true potential of systems like the 416 and SR16 for the military is logistical in nature, as more durable barrels and bolts push out the unit maintenance schedule far beyond that of the current M4. Considering most civilians will never shoot out the bolt or barrel of their AR, I doubt these improvements will grab the public's imagination.
Certainly I'm interested to see how these variants stack up in the forthcoming military trials.
For the record though, I like the Navy 416 and wouldn't mind having one.
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Last edited by C4IGrant; 09-09-11 at 09:52.
Good question. Yes, there is a spec for everything. I once had a bolt cath roll pin that I thought was out of spec. So I made a phone call to someone that had the legit TDP. Sure enough, it was.
Is the roll pin spec all that exciting and interesting? No. Is there a standard material and size req? Yep.
The thing you have to remember about companies stating that they follow the TDP is that don't really have the REAL TDP. They also don't make anything in house (which means no control). So they buy parts from companies that "advise" them that they know what the spec is. This again could be very true or it could be a lie. You be the judge. Oh wait, you don't know what the TDP says either. See my bolt catch roll pin story.
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