Can we talk Hypothetical Martial Law for a minute....

[evenodds20]

or has it been discuss before?

anyways. i was wondering if martial law were to go into effect, what are the loop holes or tricks to keep your weapons? what i mean is.....

Say National Guard shows up at your door with a clip board saying they have info that says guns are at my residence! ok, say, i tell them i took all my weapons to a family members how in another state! would they go away or would they search anyways?

another scenario: Say, i burry them in my back yard in mylar and pvc cache tubes. Do you think they would go as far as to check things like that? i mean, i know if martial law were enacted, they would have thousands of houses to go through, but if they showed up and you simply said they were not on premises, would they say ok and leave, or flip your shit upside down to be 100% sure?

[Hawg_Leg]

I'm pretty sure if you dont cough up the weapons (even if you dont have them) your going to some kind of detainment facility.

[J8127]

or has it been discuss before?

anyways. i was wondering if martial law were to go into effect, what are the loop holes or tricks to keep your weapons? what i mean is.....

Say National Guard shows up at your door with a clip board saying they have info that says guns are at my residence! ok, say, i tell them i took all my weapons to a family members how in another state! would they go away or would they search anyways?

another scenario: Say, i burry them in my back yard in mylar and pvc cache tubes. Do you think they would go as far as to check things like that? i mean, i know if martial law were enacted, they would have thousands of houses to go through, but if they showed up and you simply said they were not on premises, would they say ok and leave, or flip your shit upside down to be 100% sure?

Why don't you ask the Iraqi and Afghan populace? Ask them how burying them in rubber tubes works too.

(Hint: they're going to toss your entire house and arrest you for anything illegal they find, which will include everything you tried to burry or hide anywhere in your house)

[glocktogo]

or has it been discuss before?

anyways. i was wondering if martial law were to go into effect, what are the loop holes or tricks to keep your weapons? what i mean is.....

Say National Guard shows up at your door with a clip board saying they have info that says guns are at my residence! ok, say, i tell them i took all my weapons to a family members how in another state! would they go away or would they search anyways?

another scenario: Say, i burry them in my back yard in mylar and pvc cache tubes. Do you think they would go as far as to check things like that? i mean, i know if martial law were enacted, they would have thousands of houses to go through, but if they showed up and you simply said they were not on premises, would they say ok and leave, or flip your shit upside down to be 100% sure?

The loophole is, don't get caught with them. If they knock on your door, don't answer. If they break in and ask, tell them you don't have any. If they search, make sure you have at least some that are very well hidden. If they have a lot of houses to search, the search may be cursory.

Some people plan to leave a few inexpensive guns out for them to find, keeping the good stuff well hidden. They're not doing to earch your yard unless they happen to see freshly turned dirt.

What they don't find won't hurt them and may save your life.

[NWPilgrim]

If martial law was declared it would have to be some severe circumstance and the authorities probably have their hands full with other things and gun confiscation is a secondary effort.

I would imagine that at first it would be just confiscation of visible guns and guns found during a crime investigation. Second layer would be searches based on snitches like ex-wives, neighbors, "friends" and family members who are anti-gun or pro-government will take care of us.

Even in Iraq and Afghanistan, as far as I have read, it seems the military only searches houses for guns when they have intelligence to indicate that house may have weapons. I don't think they have the manpower to do sweeps of entire neighborhoods, plus that alienates everyone.

If a martial law based search is done, they well could use metal detectors like they do in Afghanistan and Iraq. The military is equipped to do so and has the experience of likely hiding places and burial techniques.

Most snitches or informants are not going to know the extent of your gun collection. They will either just know that you own some guns, or they know about a couple in particular (your favorite rifle, last handgun purchased, what you take to the range usually).

If the authorities searched and found a reasonable number of guns they may not search too hard elsewhere. Especially if you have some guns not tracked, i.e., private purchases that are hidden away. I would go for a three layer strategy:

1) Obvious: recent FFL purchases are in plain sight in the closet, safe, etc.

2) Hidden decoys: FFL purchased guns that are well hidden (buried near house, between walls, etc.) Hidden well enough that they look like a last resort. If these are found maye the authorities will assume that is everything and give up.

3) True last resort/TOP SECRET: one or more stashes of private purchased guns that are even more well hidden: buried further away from house, buried at angle under concrete patio or driveway that has rebar steel, under a steel culvert, etc. These have to be rainy day caches that you do not dig up every year or so, leave them alone and only check/relocate every 5-10 years. Caches on other property like a sympathetic but non-gun owner relative/friend or possibly public land could be further backups.

On the other hand, if they find one or two they may be all the more eager to find more. Or if they find ammo or parts for guns not found. You might get away with keeping some guns in the house and stashing others in the ground.

If they want to look bad enough I doubt there are many ways you could effectively hide a weapon on your property unless you have enough land to make it an incredible expense of effort. A normal sized suburban house or city apartment probably does not leave many un-thought of locations.

It would be interesting to hear from recent military personnel on their thinking process for doing searches of Afghan or Iraqi houses.

Some say, and I agree, that when you think it is time to bury your guns that is exactly when you should not, it is time to use them. However, I see nothing wrong with taking precautions while being aware that the very fact you are hiding them is a red flag that your rights are threatened and it is time to stand up for them at every level. Who knows what will happen in the next 20-50 years. It is often too late to do things like this once the situation becomes obvious, so you have to take precautions before it seems necessary.

BTW, I don't have any guns hidden. Honest!

[J8127]

I'm not going to get into the weeds on this, it's probably a good thing that you guys are so wrong (no offense), OPSEC and all, but let me just say that you are NOT going to keep shit hidden from the military. They will find it, and you will go to a detention facility.

The only GOOD advice anyone is going to give in this thread is to never let it get to that point by being involved in your government. Fight for your rights and hold your representatives accountable.

Martial Law/Civil War type scenarios have too many what-ifs for both sides. Could you shoot a police officer or soldier? Could they shoot you? How many soldiers or policemen would refuse to even enforce some of the things in question? I don't know that I could do the same shit to a fellow American and his home that I would do to an Afghans, but if the military wants to find what you're hiding, they will. Beli'dat.

[QuietShootr]

I'm not going to get into the weeds on this, it's probably a good thing that you guys are so wrong (no offense), OPSEC and all, but let me just say that you are NOT going to keep shit hidden from the military. They will find it, and you will go to a detention facility.

The only GOOD advice anyone is going to give in this thread is to never let it get to that point by being involved in your government. Fight for your rights and hold your representatives accountable.

Martial Law/Civil War type scenarios have too many what-ifs for both sides. Could you shoot a police officer or soldier? Could they shoot you? How many soldiers or policemen would refuse to even enforce some of the things in question? I don't know that I could do the same shit to a fellow American and his home that I would do to an Afghans, but if the military wants to find what you're hiding, they will. Beli'dat.

Beli' dis: you're catching the dumb ones.

[Nathan_Bell]

If martial law was declared it would have to be some severe circumstance and the authorities probably have their hands full with other things and gun confiscation is a secondary effort.

Really? Ask New Orleans residents who had theirs confiscated during Katrina if that theory holds water.

[NWPilgrim]

Really? Ask New Orleans residents who had theirs confiscated during Katrina if that theory holds water.

I would love to hear from them. From the reports I saw and read they were doing cursory searches and confiscations of people they observed to have arms, or that they were trying to force to evacuate. I did not read any reports of them searching attics, tearing out walls, using metal detectors or xray on structures. To me that is a secondary effort. In fact, by all accounts, a good portion of the NOPD were no shows. Hardly a concerted effort to sweep neighborhoods PRIMARILY for guns. Many looked too busy looting shoe stores to chase crooks or citizens.

Please enlighten me. I would appreciate links to any news reports, or first hand accounts, that indicate gun confiscation was a primary effort of NOPD and thorough searches were conducted.

[Nathan_Bell]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...on_of_firearms

Wiki, but it is a starting place. I am not digging more, but there were reports of sweeps specifically to find and confiscate guns.

I would love to hear from them. From the reports I saw and read they were doing cursory searches and confiscations of people they observed to have arms, or that they were trying to force to evacuate. I did not read any reports of them searching attics, tearing out walls, using metal detectors or xray on structures. To me that is a secondary effort. In fact, by all accounts, a good portion of the NOPD were no shows. Hardly a concerted effort to sweep neighborhoods PRIMARILY for guns. Many looked too busy looting shoe stores to chase crooks or citizens.

Please enlighten me. I would appreciate links to any news reports, or first hand accounts, that indicate gun confiscation was a primary effort of NOPD and thorough searches were conducted.