Went to the range today, doesn't anyone else shoot fast?

[Quiet-Matt]

My buddy and I went to the range today, his birthday's tomorrow


Videos

http://tinypic.com/r/2qxrqkw/7

First, happy birthday to your friend (It's my son's 4th today).

Second, it made me laugh seeing the people in the background at the range gawking at you and your friend. They were staring at you like you were a couple of hookers in church.

-Matt

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[Army Chief]

I would not consider 10" at 15 yards to be acceptable accuracy for rifle shooting, and I have my doubts about the wisdom of doing mag dumps on public ranges in the first place (think Brady Campaign file footage here), but let's be careful where we take this one, gents. It would appear that most members have just waved-off on commentary altogether, and discretion being the better part of valor, perhaps that is for the best.

AC

[Suwannee Tim]

For reference, I try to hold ten inches at 200 yards, offhand. I'm trying to reduce that. It requires very, very careful trigger control which is undermined by practices such as we see here.

[Eurodriver]

For reference, I try to hold ten inches at 200 yards, offhand. I'm trying to reduce that. It requires very, very careful trigger control which is undermined by practices such as we see here.

I can hit a 12" circle at 200 yards with 100% consistency in the standing with the rifle in the video, or any issue M16A4 or M4 Carbine with iron sights.

I fail to see how having fun and doing mag dumps is in any way an indication of poor shooting ability or undermines more precise shooting. But that doesn't matter.

I'm not saying you're doing it Tim, as I know you're not, but it irritates me because I know half the people who watch this video will assume I'm some 18 year old idiot blasting away with no marksmanship abilities. Do I care? Not really, but I wish people wouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly.

I still don't understand why the AR world can never separate training and fun. If you're doing it right, training sucks. Constantly raising and lowering the muzzle, dropping to one or both knees, running around with gear on. Its nice to just sit at a firing line with a bench in front of you in shorts and a shirt and blast some cheap ammo away.

[Quiet-Matt]

Looks like fun to me!

Sometimes I "train", and sometimes I just want to shoot shit.

Rock on brother.

-Matt

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[ChicagoTex]

I still don't understand why the AR world can never separate training and fun. If you're doing it right, training sucks. Constantly raising and lowering the muzzle, dropping to one or both knees, running around with gear on. Its nice to just sit at a firing line with a bench in front of you in shorts and a shirt and blast some cheap ammo away.

I think it has a lot to do with what people find fun about shooting. Some just enjoy shooting stuff, and that's generally all well and good, but most people pursuing the "tactical" arena (which happens to overlap with a substantial amount of AR enthusiasts) find their ultimate enjoyment in the cultivating and refinement of skills and the knowledge that those skills are present should they ever have need of them in the future.
To the tactically minded individual, things like mag dumps are literally wastes of time and ammo (aka money) because they don't really correlate with any desireable practical skills, nor do they offer much room for tangible improvement.

In my case, my money is extremely valuable to me and my time even moreso, so when I hit the range I try to get as much long-term productivity as I can from the excercise. I won't deny doing so makes my range trips less fun, but it does make my trips more satisfying and goes a long way towards giving me confidence in my abilities and my weapons off the range.

YMMV may vary and all that.

[Eurodriver]

I think it has a lot to do with what people find fun about shooting. Some just enjoy shooting stuff, and that's generally all well and good, but most people pursuing the "tactical" arena (which happens to overlap with a substantial amount of AR enthusiasts) find their ultimate enjoyment in the cultivating and refinement of skills and the knowledge that those skills are present should they ever have need of them in the future.
To the tactically minded individual, things like mag dumps are literally wastes of time and ammo (aka money) because they don't really correlate with any desireable practical skills, nor do they offer much room for tangible improvement.

In my case, my money is extremely valuable to me and my time even moreso, so when I hit the range I try to get as much long-term productivity as I can from the excercise. I won't deny doing so makes my range trips less fun, but it does make my trips more satisfying and goes a long way towards giving me confidence in my abilities and my weapons off the range.

YMMV may vary and all that.

I completely understand, and I will readily admit that there is no "satisfied" feeling after dumping 5 or 6 mags of ammo (30-40 dollars) when you go home that day. Its just fun while you're doing it.

Also, its not like I do this every time I go to the range either. Its not like I really ever do this at the range. If I did, I wouldn't have made and posted videos of it.

I just spent years of my life training to become proficient with weapons and then spent years training others. To be honest, I'm sick of hammer pairs, controlled pairs, sight alignment, sight picture, weak side transitions, kneeling, prone, etc all while wearing 40 pounds of body armor during a 12 hour training event in the rain. I cannot possibly fathom how guys spend 20 years behind the trigger, its worse than manual labor.

[threeheadeddog]

I completely understand, and I will readily admit that there is no "satisfied" feeling after dumping 5 or 6 mags of ammo (30-40 dollars) when you go home that day. Its just fun while you're doing it.

Also, its not like I do this every time I go to the range either. Its not like I really ever do this at the range. If I did, I wouldn't have made and posted videos of it.

I just spent years of my life training to become proficient with weapons and then spent years training others. To be honest, I'm sick of hammer pairs, controlled pairs, sight alignment, sight picture, weak side transitions, kneeling, prone, etc all while wearing 40 pounds of body armor during a 12 hour training event in the rain. I cannot possibly fathom how guys spend 20 years behind the trigger, its worse than manual labor.

Its all in perspective. I have watched an open shooter do basically mag dumbs for 700rds one day without an optic on his gun or a sight of any kind. He was actually doing quite well on the steel but he was only there to break in his newly fitted barrel because it a touch too tight

[RogerinTPA]

Did you hit anything?

I was thinking the same thing. If folks enjoy doing mag dumps without a purpose, that's OK I guess, but I really don't see the point (same with bump fire devices). I shoot for accuracy, then speed. The only time I shoot that fast is to practice one of the Vtac drills (2x2x2, half and half or 1-5 drills), working on speed and accuracy.

[Eurodriver]

I deleted the videos. I thought about it, and its just not worth it. Too many people here to get upset over some guys trying to have a good time, and what Army Chief said makes sense.