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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NZRFDLASas&lc
We are not saying not to train to speed reload. Just saying that it is a FAILURE. Avoiding the necessity to speed reload is much more efficient than getting stuck fumble fiddling a mag while staring down the barrel of an AK.
We understand that this video is opinionated and we are very open to criticism.
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Some times entire mags get dumped into a dude.
Some times there are a lot of bad guys.
PJ
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Training to mitigate the necessity to perform an emergency reload does nothing to speed up the reload, and if that bolt does get locked to the rear it's a lot more beneficial to the shooter to be able to perform a rapid reload if not dual armed or outside pistol range.
I am all for training ammo management and knowing the application of a few different "tactical reloads", but never forget that tactical reloads are mostly administrative functions where emergency reloads are literally life or death manipulations.
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I can't hear the audio and the closed captions end up confusing
I disagree completely... This is one of those fight smarter things. The Tactical Reload is vastly more important during engagements than the speed. In fact over training for the speed reload could even cause deaths. Reloading should be done from a covered position as often as possible. Simple.Originally Posted by Failure2Stop
Edit to add why over training speed reloading is dangerous: It builds a pattern of behavior that reinforces the idea of remaining exposed to enemy fire and that its OK to run dry while in the open.
There will not be more than 15 guys in one room... If there is... and you just made entry without being aware of what you just go yourself into. you have much larger problems than ammo at this point like hoping there is someone around who can fix your broken body after it just got riddled with bullets. Heaven and Hell would also be a concern at this point.
The situations where you are denied cover due to no fault of your own are RARE.
I have dumped an entire mag into one person before so I realize the potential there. However it is unnecessary to do so and thus constitutes a mistake.
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Is this really being entertained??!?
"In the end, it is not about the hardware, it's about the "software". Amateurs talk about hardware (equipment), professionals talk about software (training and mental readiness)" Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. On Combat
Not sure what you mean by that... Please add to the conversation if you are going to post.
In your sig line you quote Dave Grossman. Well we are attempting to talk about software with you my friend. If you have a an opinion on this please express it. We will not be offended.
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Sounds good in theory, but how far can you take it?
If you run out of bullets in a magazine and have to do a speed reload... FAILURE.
If you get into an altercation to begin with, it was poor planning... FAILURE. (speaking from a civilian point of view)
...and so on. Seeing what the future has in store for you isn't as clear as that in every day life, let alone under stressful situations. The other thing that I question, and only because I'm asking a serious question because I don't have enough training in this area, is this...
So, you do a tactical reload when you get to cover. You retain the magazine. Rotate it to the "back" of your mag stash. You shoot again and tact-reload again. Pretty soon, you have a bunch of magazines that are half empty or worse, only have a few in them. Now if you run into bad guys, you'll be forced to do a speed reload under fire MORE times because you'll have partially full magazines to load from. What then?
I've been working on counting rounds for a few years now. I usually shoot two (I know I'm not supposed to get stuck in that methodology but here's the reason) at a target. I count 10(pairs) and start thinking about where/when I'm going to reload. Kinda gives you time to plan where you're going to be when you go dry. (Am I over thinking it?)
At my local range (if you can call it that) we set up some cover positions and practice shooting and moving, reloading behind cover and what not, so if I'm over thinking it, let me know. It'll save me another scar.
Time flies when you throw your watch.
I'll lay out what we are saying for anyone who can't hear the audio.
In order for a speed reload to be necessary there has to be multiple events happening simultaneously.
1) you must be uncovered and in the open
2) you must be being directly engaged by the enemy
3) while uncovered and in the open your weapon runs dry
We lay out 2 common places where speed reloading occurs.
1) Inside of a room during an urban conflict
Reasons:
A) This constitutes a failure to ensure your rifle was prepped in the previous room for entry into the current room.
B) Over use of ammunition on a target
2) While moving from cover to cover.
Reasons:
A) The next piece of cover you have selected is too far from the current one
B) Whoever that is supposed to be providing cover for your movement ran dry in the middle of your movement (Blue Falcon Status)
C) When A and B happen it could force you into attempting to provide your own cover fire for your movement
Our Argument is that a bolt locked back should be considered for the most part to be an avoidable failure to feed. Training for Malfunction drills is most definitely important so we are not saying not to train for speed reloads. What we are saying is that a greater emphasis should be put on fighting with your head.
It seems that currently there is a greater emphasis on speed reloading as opposed to utilizing cover to reload.
This is mostly due to the training environment of many classes. the whole standing in the open on line with each other thing.
We are merely suggesting a stronger emphasis on cover.
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