Gun owners that are not gun people

[WillBrink]

I often find these types the most frustrating to deal with.

Non gun owners, are generally either anti gun or neutral on the issue, so you attempt to educate them as needed, de program them from one sided media BS, use data vs emotion, etc, etc. You know the drill.

Then, there's those who own guns for a specific use, and can't fathom any other use.

Example:

I bud is a very dedicated hunter, not just occasional, but virtually every weekend possible, small game season, deer season, licenses in all states in his region, etc. He has a case full of nice hunting rifles, shot guns, and such.

We have gone to the range a few times to site in some new rifle of his and such. He's no gun expert by any means, but loves his hunting.

Personally, never cared for hunting. Have done if a few times over the years, but it's just not my "thing"

I go to his house to help him move some stuff. Take off my over shirt as I'm getting hot.

He sees CCW rig and gives a "WTF" type look and a "why are you wearing a gun?"

I respond with usual (as I know him well, he's a gun owner, etc) comment like "better to have one and not need it, then need it and not have it" type comment, but he persists.

"Why would you need to carry a gun? This is a safe area, blah blah"

Now I'm getting annoyed as I thought this would be almost the last person I would have such a conversation with.

"Dude, you have a case full of guns and blow the heart out of just about anything you legally can, and you can't see why a person might see fit to carry a method of self defense?"

He says something like "but that's for hunting, I don't need a gun other then that, just seems weird you would feel like you needed to carry that thing" and so forth. General paraphrase, but you all know exactly how this goes.

So, I gave him some of the usual reasons, he sort of nodded his head, clearly didn't "get it" and we moved on.

No biggie, but, it reminded me of those odd people that own guns, use them for some specific use, and still don't understand the larger picture, other uses of guns, etc, etc

I find them much harder to deal with and fathom then the the usual anti or non gun owner (not always the same thing...) and find they can come from the oddest places.

Have such an experience? How did you deal with them?

[William B.]

I feel you, brother. I used to work for a Major who was the same way. He was a competition shooter and gun owner, but always acted like a know-it-all and smart-ass whenever I talked about CC. We had this conversation once when he overheard me saying that I was considering switching credit unions if I could find one that was more gun friendly.

Him: "Why do you need a gun in a bank?"

Me: "For personal defense, sir."

Him: "Why not just let the robbers have their money and leave?"

Me: "If somebody is robbing a place while I'm there and is waving a gun around as a threat they're using my life as a negotiation tool to get what they want. If that's all my life is worth to them I would rather take things into my own hands."

Him: "They probably just don't want their bank turned into OK Corral."

Me:

You can only lead a horse to water... of course this was the same guy who once, having returned from Afghanistan less than a year earlier, argued to me that there was no such thing as a 30rd AK47 magazine. Only 20rd ones.

[WillBrink]

You can only lead a horse to water... of course this was the same guy who once, having returned from Afghanistan less than a year earlier, argued to me that there was no such thing as a 30rd AK47 magazine. Only 20rd ones.

Ugh! What's the chances of the first person to respond to this having the same initials?

[sgtjosh]

I am a federal LEO and have a friend who objects to me carrying when he is around. I am not receptive to his objections.

[Heavy Metal]

"but that's for hunting, I don't need a gun other then that, just seems weird you would feel like you needed to carry that thing"

"....and it seems wierd to me how every spring and fall, you go into the woods like a psychopath and stalk and kill a bunch of innocent animals when there is a prefectly fine supermarket right down on the corner just stuffed full of food! I MEAN, YOU ACTUALLY KILL THINGS FOR SPORT!, NOT NEED, JUST SPORT!! Who REALLY needs to hunt!?!"


I always like to take their own 'logic' and feed it back to them. Some even see the light.

[glockeyed]

i believe the term is Fudd. as long as elmer can blast rabbits, you can ban the rest. this is also why a lot of Left politicians try to get that cameo shot of them bird hunting, and cater to that "2nd amendment" voter.

[Army Chief]

I think many people persist in the believe that the odds of ever needing a firearm for self defense are, at best, on par with those of being struck by lightning. I'm not sure that this was ever true in America, but it certainly isn't true today.

Personally, I'm not nearly as worried about self defense as I am about finding myself in a situation wherein people that I care about are threatened, and I'm caught totally flat-footed, with no ability to offer an effective response.

Carry the tool, and hope that you never have to do the job. But carry the tool nonetheless.

AC

[SeriousStudent]

I have homeowner's insurance. I own fire extinguishers. I wear a seat belt. I have a spare tire and a jack in my car. I have smoke and CO2 detectors in my home.

In the line of work I am in, I do threat modeling every day. What can go wrong, what is the likelihood of it going wrong, and what is the impact of it going wrong?

As AC stated, CCW is just another tool I pay for, and I hope I will never need.

[skyugo]

i like using the "well you vote" argument.
we basically vote with the hope that our single vote will somehow sway the election for "our guy" to get in. I mean hell, the odds that he'll even end up being "our guy" are pretty low in the end. The bottom line though is that if you have the right to vote and don't exercise said right it isn't worth jack shit.

same goes for firearms. you have the right to bear arms. it's certainly not a fashion accessory, (hey babe check out my asymmetrical square love handle! ) people carry on the off chance that that decision will save their lives, and potentially the lives of dozens of innocent people.

Your right to bear arms does nothing for you when you keep it in a safe at home.

[Caeser25]

i believe the term is Fudd. as long as elmer can blast rabbits, you can ban the rest. this is also why a lot of Left politicians try to get that cameo shot of them bird hunting, and cater to that "2nd amendment" voter.

I once overheard a guy at a store saying why do we need 30 rounds mags? Nothing is as exciting as deer hunting huh

I have homeowner's insurance. I own fire extinguishers. I wear a seat belt. I have a spare tire and a jack in my car. I have smoke and CO2 detectors in my home.

In the line of work I am in, I do threat modeling every day. What can go wrong, what is the likelihood of it going wrong, and what is the impact of it going wrong?

As AC stated, CCW is just another tool I pay for, and I hope I will never need.

I use that same reasoning about the seat belts, fire extinguishers, jumper cables, spare tire, extra belts, stop leak and a either water or coolant, flashlight, multi tool etc. Although you'd be surprised how many people don't have fire extinguishers.