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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Noveske uses MUR uppers.
    Yes, however, they also hand-fit their upper and lower receivers together to very tight tolerances. That's something Colt, KAC and many others don't do. Or, if they do, they don't do it as tight as Noveskes. I was at the fun store yesterday at lunch. Handled 4 brand new KAC SR15's - each one was very loose. Picked up all 3 Noveske's right next them - tight, VERY tight.
    Colts - all loose like the KACs - my 2 brand new Colts were loose as gooses, out of the box.

    I will say - when my fun store had two of the "Magpul Edition" KAC SR15's - they were pretty tight - both of them. My guess is each "line" get's it's own treatment. They probably took the time to hand-fit the u/l on the special editions. I think they did a Knighthawk special edition - my guess is those were hand-fitted, although I've never seen one. I would bet an SR25 EMC rifle would be hand fitted as well as it's marketed as a match rifle as opposed to their std. SR25's - no proof to back it up - never handled an EMC , only std SR25.

    To further my point, Colt knows it's rifles are going into combat and having armorers possibly swap u/l all day every day. They have to KNOW that any lower they manufactured is going to fit any upper they've manufactured. They also have to guarantee that a soldier will NOT be fighting tight takedown pins, should he need to take his rifle apart. This simply requires a slightly relaxed "spec" or "tolerance" - there's no way around it.
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    and didn't even need to do a search. . .

    Good to know the info and will not be getting one. Great info as always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTMAN556 View Post
    and didn't even need to do a search. . .

    Good to know the info and will not be getting one. Great info as always.
    yea. I was "thinking" on the idea of getting an accuwedge for my lwrc m6a2...which are notorious for being loose, but nah. It functions perfectly and when i'm shooting it, i can't even tell it's a little loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vecdran View Post
    Here's a novel concept: other people will have different preferences than you!

    I find the upper-lower slop annoying when handling the gun. I like my gun to feel solid. I have zero expections of any silly claim of increase in accuracy. My Centurion Arms barrel takes care of that anyways.

    Oh no, I just spent 2 cents on an o-ring, and the problem is solved. Clearly I am an idiot!
    Quote Originally Posted by 308sako View Post
    I guess there could be an argument made for not going to war with the wedge, but from a civilian standpoint they are a benefit. Confidence is a major factor in an individuals performance and feel is a well know aspect of firearms handling. The accuwedge improves both of those aspects.

    I have been using this little addition for over 15 years in one of my Colt Elite Hbars (CR6724) and have had no issues what so ever. Round count exceeds 8K now. I find it hard to believe that the material would break down in a short period of time, and suggest that "normal" weapon maintenance was not being adhered to if failures were achieved in mass over a short period. Perhaps they were Chinese knockoffs made to self destruct!
    Well, even as a regular civ', if your Ar is for personal defense then I say your focusing on something completely irrelevant.
    If the slop in your gun is what needs to be addressed for you to be confident, then you got bigger problems. Why would it give someone confidence? Because the non-wiggling of their receivers somehow makes that boomstick more reliable? Obviously that is wrong. Most people with reputable backgrounds & experience can tell you that.

    Whoever believes that the gun would be more reliable, or somehow make themselves more reliable has been told wrong &/or needs to work on their knowledge. Mindset & Skill is probably lacking too.

    I can tell you without a doubt, they are NO benefit.
    The ergonomics of a gun in my mind has nothing to do with the slop in any AR platform.
    I can especially tell you that you wont begin to notice any of the "slop" during a actual defensive situation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Really? How much do you want to bet that many of those using the silly ass Accu-crud are shooting Wolf ammo and have questionable AR builds? As a matter of fact they are probably the same people that have castle nuts and carrier keys that are not staked and .223 chambers and routine failures to extract.

    So tell me what is a real confidence booster? A properly constructed AR made with quality parts. Or some Bubbafudd Assault Gun complete with Accu-crap, Chinese knock off optics and UTG gear?
    Iraqgunz hit the nail on the head.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBelly View Post
    Ok, I'm not gonna lie: I have one, and I use it. Here's the VERY limited application:
    It's in my 6.8 franken-gun. It removes the slop between the upper and lower. By removing the play, there is less of an opportunity for the slop to get in the way of accuracy at farther ranges.

    My 6.8 is only for coyotes and the like. The closest I've shot at was 100yds for zero, but then it's out to 200 and farther for getting rid of the yotes.

    Getting rid of the slop removes also the potential for an un-level scope, which can be the difference between a hit and a miss.

    THIS IS NOT A 'FIGHTING' GUN. IT'S A HUNTING RIFLE THAT I PUT 50 ROUNDS A YEAR THROUGH.
    That slop is not going to have anything to do with accuracy & yes I'm speaking from experience.

    Last year for fun I was using my KAC SR-25 with a little ol 3x9 compact Leopold scope to deer hunt with. There is slop in my SR-25 rig... But I'm gonna tell you right now, it doesn't affect accuracy. That S.O.B. was a absolute Tack driver, even out to 400 yards from prone or a bench using bonded soft points. Its extremely accurate with my Nightforce 3.5-15x50 F1 NXS & some OTMS.
    Anyway, every year, I try new things while deer hunting to make things more interesting. I hunted a 2 mile wide tree nursery behind my house all season with the goal of killing a deer (preferably a good buck) at over 500 yards with nothing more than my 3-9 compact on my long range platform. Theres not a lot of room for error which is why I missed my first chance at the start of the season, missing a 8 point @ 534 yards which was all my fault.
    Last day, a small 6 point came out into the field at a bait pile at 561 yards according to the range finder. Lack of accuwedge & presence of slop be damned, I made that shot, right behind the shoulder.

    With a good platform from a reputable manufacture or ever a franken-gun made up of parts from a reputable manufacture, the only thing that will be likely to stand in the way of your accuracy is yourself.

    My SR-15 on the other hand doesn't have a whole lot of slop, its pretty tight, but I've heard others say theirs has some play in it.

    The debate of whether or not accuwedge effects accuracy should have been put to rest a long time ago, but because of stupid advertisers stating some HORSESHIT, or people who believe, without any proof, that a accuwedge helps somehow, its legend lives on.


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    Forgive me if I call BULLSHIT on your little story.

    1. If you are in the community you should know it is SEAL's not seals which are animals.

    2. There is no headspace and timing check in Colt rifles.

    3. When new weapons are received they are usually inspected at a depot level before they are shipped to a unit.

    4. I don't understand what "setting up your rifles" like theirs has to do with anything considering most of them are not using standard issue Colt M4's. Spare your stories for the campfire or the club.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwsmitht343 View Post
    If it helps the M-4 I was issued never had a accuwedge and at the time we had to have m-4's mirroring the seals weapons due to the possibility of working with them on specific missions. I was told it was required by the seals for teams working with them to have rifles set up like theirs. I was in the armory assisting the armorer with m-9s while the armorer from aberdeen proving grounds checked head-space and timing on the rifles fresh from colt. So if the armorer wouldnt put it in, the seals wont put it in its a good point to me to leave it out of the rifle!



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    Forgive me that's what the armorer called it. Pm me and I will tell you why they weren't from a depot but delivered to the unit's headquarters on a pallet. Fresh from the factory. Sorry if I offended anyone. The point I was trying to put across is what most others have said no real need for them.

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    My old Colt Competition HBar came with an Accuwedge from the factory and I've shot it quite a bit that way. Both of my current ARs do not have any sort of "Slop Remover". The precision AR has a good fit between the upper & lower with no slop. The carbine has a normal amount.

    I cannot recall ever, not once, noticing the the play while shooting the carbine, or handling it at the range or in the field. Nor do I notice the lack of play, or any difference it makes, when handling and shooting the precision AR.

    I don't feel any shifting of the carbine's upper when grasping the forearm to shoot. I don't feel the MOE handguard shift which has even more play than the fit between the upper & lower. I do not notice the play between the CTR stock and receiver extension when I adjust the length of pull and forget to use the lock. None of the play intrudes itself on my focus while shooting

    Any in spec upper can be installed on any in spec lower and it will function with no change in the POA/POI. That right there tells us the play makes no difference at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    I cannot recall ever, not once, noticing the the play while shooting the carbine, or handling it at the range or in the field.
    I concur. I have a built Noveske (Noveske complete upper & homebrew Noveske lower) that feels like its loose as a goose. Insert a loaded mag and most of the wobble disappears. Start running drills and it may as well be rock solid. I measured the gap out of curiosity and the max was 0.0175". I think I remember reading that the max acceptable gap was 0.02" so it worries me not!

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    [QUOTE=MrSmitty;1310026] Insert a loaded mag and most of the wobble disappears. QUOTE]

    Like a built in accu-wedge...lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 308sako View Post
    I guess there could be an argument made for not going to war with the wedge, but from a civilian standpoint they are a benefit. Confidence is a major factor in an individuals performance and feel is a well know aspect of firearms handling. The accuwedge improves both of those aspects.

    Nonsense. Practicing the fundamentals of marksmanship will do it better, and in spades. If you need this thing to make you feel better about yourself, and think happy happy joy joy thoughts, and declares you are the MAN, have at it.

    I have been using this little addition for over 15 years in one of my Colt Elite Hbars (CR6724) and have had no issues what so ever. Round count exceeds 8K now. I find it hard to believe that the material would break down in a short period of time, and suggest that "normal" weapon maintenance was not being adhered to if failures were achieved in mass over a short period. Perhaps they were Chinese knockoffs made to self destruct!

    That breaks down to a little over 44 rounds per month (44.4), and is not considered "hard use" by any means. I go through 8K+ rounds, in any given year, and I consider myself on the lower end of the training spectrum.
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHXSG View Post
    Bad mouthing a little rubber widget. Come on. I have been shooting ar,s since colt a1 era. Since then people been slapping everything on the stick including the kitchen sink.
    So have I. It doesn't mean that it was a quality, functional, or well thought out purchase either. Members tell new folks all the time not to buy shit the don't need, offer smarter, better recommendations, then are promptly blown off like a fart in a wind storm. The individual then gets severe ass pain, won't listen, makes purchase anyway, staunchly defends said purchase, while looking for validation, and gets severe ass pain again when they are gutted, cleaned and fried by members here...Then makes a childish posting, quits M4C, goes over to TOS, repost the same question, with pictures, gets the validation he's looking for, then is sung high praise for buying that BS, is welcomed with open arms, then proceeds to eviscerate M4C because the members are dicks. It's a never ending, self licking ice cream cone.
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