Practical Combat Conditioning...Lessons Learned

[SteyrAUG]

We called it shrimping.
Pat

We called it Hell. I forget what the proper Japanese name was. I believe it might have been "Fukyu Gaijin."

[Alaskapopo]

I'll try to expand some, see what do you think. First I have to say that I feel we are all preaching to the choir, because everyone here has some MA background and see it as positive, and wish to strike a balance...

So, as for the best mix, I feel that one needs (in some sort of difficulty/progression):

• Distance control (maai, for those with Japanese MA background)
• Movement: forward, backward, sidestep and the triangulation from FMA
• Falling without hurting too much
• Basic punches: jab/straight and combos, maybe cross and upper/hook
• Low/medium kicks, up to the waistline
• A propper guard, not opening up when kicking
• Hability to strike while moving
• Enough groundwork not to be taken down and to get up fast
• Some takedowns/throws

Disclaimer, this list looks a lot like what we do in Kombato.

Maybe that is because it is the only thing I trained for more than a few months, plus, I actually teach a bit.
I hope this does not sound like an ad or something.
I know that Steyr has gone through more hairy stuff than I would like to. Maybe our LEO friends have a say in the matter.

If you want to see if that is any good, look at the videos from the creator of Kombato.

Why I do feel is troublesome to get on the ground: The BG you are confronting has friends, they can strike you from you back while you are tied to one guy. Maybe this is less so for LEO/MIL, because they also walk in groups.

I do understand that is easier to cuff a non-compliant suspect with him on the ground than standing, no from that comes the need to throw them to the floor

One other thing to consider is multiple subjects is an officer safety force escalator. I can use lethal force if I am attacked by multiple people. Some people don't realize this. So if I am working with one guy on the ground and his buddies start coming over its time to step it up a notch.
One thing I miss about my old department was the local Judo Dojo. My current town has no martial arts or boxing. The only fighting I get is at work a few times a year. Last time I threw my back out and was on workers comp for four days. That sucked I was out of shape at the time and it did not help. Working hard to correct that now. Their weird part was it did not hurt at the time it was the next morning that I coud barely stand.
Pat

[just a scout]

Any thoughts on Keysian Fighting Method? I used a few of the moves and stances in my last fight. Pretty effective, but no teachers around me.

[SteyrAUG]

Any thoughts on Keysian Fighting Method? I used a few of the moves and stances in my last fight. Pretty effective, but no teachers around me.

Looks like another modern eclectic. Certainly has a viable foundation as the founders both trained under Inosanto and it looks like they are going for "street proven" methods like the Kajukenbo guys did. Can't see any reason it wouldn't be a winner. But as stated, it isn't the style so much as the student and the way he trains.

I know Tae Kwon Do black belts who are a complete joke and cannot fight at all and I know some ROK guys who will beat the snot out of most guys at the local boxing gym. They both do the same Tae Kwon Do, they simply train very differently.