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Thread: 7.62 Battle Rifle: PredatAR vs. MWS

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    Thank you for the education, was leaning that it would not be possible and even if it was you have let me know the weight is in the barrel, I got my LMT very cheap early on made a good amount selling it, so was a lateral move, guess I will have to live with my poor pencil barrel OBR. My scope and mount will be here next week, I will have some knowledgeable people there to help get me started in long range. I am going too try and follow the guidelines being laid out in the precision semi auto forum, and give reports that are meaningful. I really think I need Iron sights on my OBR might be wrong headed thinking again, just not used too a gun without them, was thinking of the the Troy set at Larue? I might should have got the Predator, but was wanting too learn Long range precision semi-auto, thought the OBR would give me better accuracy in the long run when I get to where I am not the weak link.
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    If I recall correctly, the MWS uses a shorter gas system then the Pred, which ends up causing the MWS to kick noticeably harder. Despite how heavy the MWS was, it really did have some kick to it.

    As an aside, the PredatAR H we shot 2 weeks ago was Steve Fishers, and the gun is generally so light, and so soft shooting, that the Surefire 7.62 K brake was actually causing the gun to dip DOWN.

    It's a damn awesome gun, I really ought to order one of them eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
    If I recall correctly, the MWS uses a shorter gas system then the Pred, which ends up causing the MWS to kick noticeably harder. Despite how heavy the MWS was, it really did have some kick to it.

    As an aside, the PredatAR H we shot 2 weeks ago was Steve Fishers, and the gun is generally so light, and so soft shooting, that the Surefire 7.62 K brake was actually causing the gun to dip DOWN.

    It's a damn awesome gun, I really ought to order one of them eventually.
    The 16"CL is 7.62 carbine gas... for a fair comparison you'd want to buy it with a rifle gas barrel and re-profile it. Rifle gas example with exposed block below. Probably still a bit heavier but gain barrel change option and monolithic upper that provides superior rigidity. Drop in a Noveske rifle gas barrel with swtichblock when they come out (an easy option for the LMT). Street price of the LMT is hard to beat... call it $2250 new or $2000 lightly used. Consider the value of the Sopmod and BUIS you can keep or sell as well.

    ETA: The Geissele on the Larue is an addition that would have to be factored in to the LMT. You get a KAC clone ambi controls lower with the LMT. For $2700 you could probably pick up a used MWS and get a Noveske or the exact LW-50 barrel Larue uses converted and dropped in. Chop the 16" carbine gas to 13.5" and take advantage of the MWS versatility for two roles with the 2 barrels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
    The LMT MWS is a monolithic design, only way you're lightening up that thing is with a sawzall.
    I don't give a rat's ass what side of this debate you're on, that right there is some hilariously funny shit!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXSUT View Post
    I don't give a rat's ass what side of this debate you're on, that right there is some hilariously funny shit!!!
    That is funny. Would be nice if all these guys would start selling uppers. LMT, Larue, KAC should be swappable. I have my MWS upper on a preban KAC lower. They should also fit on DPMS lowers with a big gap (reverse is not true given the extra material).
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    Some solo uppers for these guns would be nice. That may let me assemble my 7.62 AR nirvana; my MWS lower paired to a PredatAR upper w/ an OBR 16" barrel.

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    This is great information. Thanks all.

    Are there any links someone can point me towards for reviews of the PredatAR after some serious training classes or (the overused phrase) "torture tests"?

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    Here we go with Tridet, always starting an argument with established members of the forum. Dude, we all know your appreciation for all things LMT and specifically the MRP platform. Both the Predatar and the MWS are fine systems, nobody here is downgrading either one. People are just relaying their opinions and experiences with the systems in an effort to help the OP make an informed choice.

    Perhaps you need to go back to kindergarten and learn that just because somebody does not agree with your point of view, does not mean they, or you are wrong.

    With that out of the way, I am having a hard time picking between the MWS and the Predetar. Both seem like great performers, but right now I am leaning toward Larue for the wieght issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titleist View Post
    If I recall correctly, the MWS uses a shorter gas system then the Pred, which ends up causing the MWS to kick noticeably harder. Despite how heavy the MWS was, it really did have some kick to it.

    As an aside, the PredatAR H we shot 2 weeks ago was Steve Fishers, and the gun is generally so light, and so soft shooting, that the Surefire 7.62 K brake was actually causing the gun to dip DOWN.

    It's a damn awesome gun, I really ought to order one of them eventually.
    That's exactly what happens with my SCAR H and the BattleComp BABC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonconsiglio View Post
    That's exactly what happens with my SCAR H and the BattleComp BABC.
    It doesn't seem that the Surefire brakes are standard on Larue rifles, but I've never seen one with a brake on it. Not having shot the same rifle with and w/o a brake I can't say I know how much effect it has, but I can say that from proning out next to a braked OBR- ouch- it is working.

    I'd like to see a rifle/mid length gassed MWS with the same brake as the OBR, since I've seen vary few MWS' with brakes on them.

    I did put Slashes Stainless Steel buffer in my PRS stocked MWS, and it does tame it some, but I'm finding position loading the bipod help as much as anything.

    Running a class with a 762 AR, man you guys are made of money. I'd have to get a sponsorship to get that going.
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